Without trying to be pointlessly argumentative, I was referring to your representation of Burns. Cognitive-behavioral therapy is one of our best established as effective tools to treat depression. I feel describing it in terms of depression as a choice, akin to a simple 'buck up' was the problem, your description was what I was complaining about, not Burns or CBT.
> On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Joan Warmbold <[email protected]> wrote: > > Paul, if you don't know of or haven't read Burns, why do you feel > qualified to speak about the effectiveness of his strategies? In no way > does he encourage people in a state of depression "to buck up." The > strategies he does use, based on extensive empirical research, is to help > people understand how they have developed patterns of thinking--e.g., > negative explanatory style or a sense of helplessness and > hopelessness--that are not only inaccurate but counterproductive as they > create depressive moods and inactive lifestyles. So our negatively > distorted thinking patterns are creating our depressive realities. And > yes, we can make a choice to learn more positive and productive ways of > thinking and behaving but it takes work and practice, as Burns makes > perfectly clear from the get-go. > > For those who are interested, his books are fantastic and certainly > wonderful examples of the superb application of cognitive-behavioral > therapy. Joan > [email protected] > > > > > >> â?oWe have a choice whether to opt for depression or notâ? sounds >> precisely like positivity pablum, blaming the victim of disease, that all >> the person needs to do is â?~buck upâ?T. >> >> I donâ?Tt know Burns, but I do know that acting like depression is an >> attitude problem is BS. >> >> I am going to assume that her words were typed in haste and >> unintentionally conveyed the meaning Iâ?Tm ascribing. >> >> Paul >> >> >>> On Jul 20, 2015, at 7:38 PM, Carol <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Though I'm not speaking for Joan, I believe she was referring to >>> cognitive techniques such as reframing. David Burns has been around a >>> long time and has written some very good books. I wouldn't consider his >>> work "positivity movement pablum." >>> Carol >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 20, 2015, at 8:01 PM, Paul C Bernhardt >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I surely hope you are joking about something as serious as depression. >>>> Sounds like a bunch of positivity movement pablum to me. >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Joan Warmbold <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> as we age we do have >>>>> control over, whether we are depressed or not. In fact, if one reads >>>>> Burns terrific book, "Feeling Good," we even have the choice whether >>>>> to >>>>> opt for depression or not. >>>>> >>>>> Joan >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>>> Don't take my word for it, see this news article on the >>>>>> presentations >>>>>> at the Alzheimer's Association International Conference: >>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11751788/School-grades-aged-10-predict-risk-of-dementia.html >>>>>> >>>>>> The Telegraph's (UK) science editor writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> |Children with low school grades at the age of 10 are >>>>>> |more likely to develop dementia later in life, scientists >>>>>> have found for the first time. >>>>>> | >>>>>> |Youngsters who struggled in school were far more likely >>>>>> |to suffer dementia as pensioners than average children, >>>>>> |while high achievers were much less likely to develop the >>>>>> |condition. >>>>>> >>>>>> Boy, if I could only remember how I did in school at age 10, >>>>>> I'd be a lot less concerned -- or more concerned depending >>>>>> upon how I did. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, the are summaries of other research such as: >>>>>> >>>>>> |In a separate study, experts at the University of California >>>>>> |found that watching too much television and taking too little >>>>>> |exercise in early adulthood more than doubles their risk of >>>>>> |dementia. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am shocked --SHOCKED you hear! -- to find out that being >>>>>> a couch potato might cause Alzheimer's disease. And all this >>>>>> time I thought that it only caused heart disease, diabetes, >>>>>> and other minor health problems. But that's not all. >>>>>> Consider: >>>>>> >>>>>> |Likewise at [sic!] study of 8,300 over 65s by Harvard University >>>>>> |found that the loneliest people suffered much faster cognitive >>>>>> |decline than those with the most friends, a 20 per cent >>>>>> acceleration >>>>>> |over 12 years. >>>>>> >>>>>> One wonders whether those lonely people spent a lot time at home >>>>>> watching TV. >>>>>> >>>>>> Boy, this kind of research makes real confident that we'll find a >>>>>> cure of Alzheimer's disease some time in the next 100 years. >>>>>> Or perhaps the next millennia. 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