Hi Jim:

Yes, it sounds like she didn’t understand the assignment or was trying to 
squeeze by.

BTW, the png extension doesn’t indicate she used a camera.  PNG is a more 
up-to-date image format protocol for showing raster images.

See our buddies on *oogle- 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics>

Ken

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> On Nov 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Jim Matiya <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> Thanks for all your replies to my question. A friend of mine, who is a 
> psych teacher, asked about the illusion. It was an assignment, I believe. I 
> am guessing that students had to find find five illusions and explain them. 
> The teacher sent me the girl's powerpoint. I tried to insert the picture into 
> my e-mail, but I could not. 
> Then as I was trying to save the image, I noticed it had a png extension, 
> which tells me, she took a picture of this image and used  it her powerpoint 
> illusion. I changed the extension to jpg and then I could paste it in a word 
> document. The thought of a virus never crossed my mind. Sorry I won't do that 
> again.
> In her powerpoint, she said she had "problems" understanding this illusion. 
> The teacher asked for a reference and, of course, this student did not do 
> that part of the assignment.
> 
> I thought I could ask my colleagues, because maybe I was missing something.
> 
> Thank you for your input.
> 
> Jim 
> retired FGCU
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Mike Palij <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2015 16:40:36 -0800, Jim Matiya wrote:
>>> Has anyone on the list ever seen this illusion.
>> 
>> Alas and alack, I had the same problem that Annette had,
>> that is, the digest form does not allow attachments.  Fortunately,
>> this time, the Mail Archive did contain the Word document
>> that had the image.
>> 
>> Can we all come to an agreement that attachments should not
>> be sent out with posts to Tips because (a) they don't appear
>> in the digest, (b) an attachment may appear on the
>> Mail Archive or it may not, and (c) the main reason most
>> mailing lists do not allow attachments is because this is
>> one of the easiest ways to spread computer viruses, either
>> intentionally or unintentionally.  Is it really so difficult to
>> find a place on the web where images or text can be
>> accessed?
>> 
>> So, how about it?
>> 
>> To Jim:  why did you call this picture an illusion?  I mean, what
>> was its source?  The simplest description of it is that it is a
>> minimalist representation of a meeting table from the view of
>> looking over the shoulder of the person at the head of the
>> table.  It uses the simplest elements to represent the forms.
>> That being said, the question arises as to whether alternative
>> interpretations can be made of the forms.  However, if the
>> forms used are relatively close to the prototypical representations
>> that people may have (i.e., how a long table looks from one end,
>> how well figures represent humans, and so on), there may be
>> severe limitations on the number of interpretations that are
>> possible (i.e., few "degrees of freedom").
>> 
>> One possible alternative interpretation of the image is that the
>> table is actually a Christmas tree and not a table but this interpretation
>> is violated by the central human figure and the human figures
>> along the sides.  The "degrees of freedom" associated with this
>> image is quite limited unless there are key features that need
>> to be pointed out in order to see alternative images.  This may
>> be best represented by the "my wife and my mother-in-law" aka
>> "young woman and old lady" illusion.  For background on this
>> illusions see:
>> From the Wolfram website:
>> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/YoungGirl-OldWomanIllusion.html
>> From Wikipedia:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Wife_and_My_Mother-in-Law
>> From YouTube which has a video that shows which features
>> have to be altered to limit perception to the young woman or
>> old lady:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f1G6Nx5VDw
>> 
>> So, I have to ask again: in what sense is your image an illusion
>> outside of it being a minimalist representation of things in the
>> real world?
>> 
>>> A student submitted as a an example...but I have never seen
>>> it before.  I am a little slow, can anyone see the figure-ground illusion?
>> 
>> Why should you see a figure-ground illusion?  How does this
>> image contain the elements that are typically found in such
>> illusions?  To what extent is the illusion produced by processing
>> by the perceptual system and is immune to cognitive intervention
>> (the classic vase-two faces image seems to fall into this
>> category) and to what extent does it depend upon knowledge
>> of objects/forms that can be mapped onto a pictorial representation
>> and compete for being the "key" interpretation of the image
>> (the young woman-old lady image seems to fall into this category;
>> speaking for myself, it took years for me to see the young woman
>> because the old lady interpretation was so compelling -- it
>> took an analysis of the features that contribute to the perception
>> of the young woman to allow me to switch between the two
>> interpretations)?
>> 
>>> I have attached the picture
>> 
>> Attachments are bad, m'kay?
>> 
>> -Mike Palij
>> New York University
>> [email protected]
>> 
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