Hi David, if you're on it, maybe it's worth to consider my question from January 2021 as well.
> If the client follows this guide, it falls-back to use a full handshake. > If the client doesn't follow this (maybe, the client is not aware of RFC 7627), the server SHOULD aborts. > Why SHOULD the server not (also) just fall-back to use a full handshake? For more details see: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/gjBFHWwp1k-w1KdBkotp496zaf8/ best regards Achim Kraus Am 26.10.21 um 00:51 schrieb David Benjamin:
Here's some possible replacement text for that paragraph: """ In some deployments, a legacy client or server may be exposed to a session using extended master secret. For example, a group of servers sharing a ticket encryption key may be in the process of enabling this extension. If such a session is used in an abbreviated handshake without the extension, a newer peer will fail the connection, as described in Section 5.3. To avoid this, legacy servers SHOULD ignore such sessions and continue with a full handshake, and legacy clients SHOULD NOT offer such sessions in the ClientHello. This can be implemented by ensuring legacy implementations do not recognize sessions using extended master secret. For example, the sessions may have a higher internal version number or, if the older implementation rejects unrecognized fields, include a new field. If this is not possible, deployments may deploy a new session cache or ticket encryption key alongside the new version. """ Unfortunately, "session using extended master secret" is a bit of a mouthful, but section 5.4 didn't define a more concise term. On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 4:01 PM David Benjamin <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi all, In diagnosing an interop issue, I noticed RFC 7627 did not describe the correct server behavior for EMS very well. Seemingly as a result, some server implementation has gotten this wrong. I'd like to fix this in the spec so this doesn't happen again. I think, at minimum, we need to replace the last paragraph of section 5.4. The issue is a server that /doesn't/ implement EMS, when presented a ClientHello containing a ticket or session ID by a server that /did/ implement EMS, must ignore the session and continue with a full handshake. Failing to do so will trip the client check in Section 5.3, "If a client receives a ServerHello that accepts an abbreviated handshake, [...]". This is important to meet these three properties: - If the client and server both support EMS, the connection must negotiate it. - On resumption, the EMS status of the connection must match the EMS status of the session - In order for EMS to be safely deployable, it must be possible to roll EMS out gradually, or roll it back, without breaking connections. This means a mixed pre-EMS and post-EMS server deployment must work. Note that, although this behavior is only visible at the pre-EMS server (not directly in scope for this document), it is actually a requirement on the post-EMS server. When the post-EMS server issues a session, it must arrange for the pre-EMS server to ignore it. For example, if the pre-EMS server rejects sessions with unparsable fields (the safest option), the post-EMS server can add a new field to the session state serialization. Failing that, it can bump some internal version number. Another strategy is to rotate session ticket keys alongside the version, but this can be tricky the way deployments and software updates are often split. There's an analogous, though less likely, client scenario that a pre-EMS client must not offer a post-EMS session. Otherwise it will run afoul of a server requirement. This can be relevant for clients that serialize their session cache. As far as I can tell, RFC 7627 does not specify any of this. The first paragraph of section 5.4 talks about adding a flag, but doesn't talk about how pre-EMS servers interact with that flag. The last paragraph discusses this scenario, but says something very strange, if not plain wrong: If the original session uses an extended master secret but the ClientHello or ServerHello in the abbreviated handshake does not include the extension, it MAY be safe to continue the abbreviated handshake since it is protected by the extended master secret of the original session. This scenario may occur, for example, when a server that implements this extension establishes a session but the session is subsequently resumed at a different server that does not support the extension. Since such situations are unusual and likely to be the result of transient or inadvertent misconfigurations, this document recommends that the client and server MUST abort such handshakes. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7627#section-5.4 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7627#section-5.4> First, the "MAY" is immediately contradicted by the following "MUST", and by section 5.3. It seems it should have been an English lowercase "may", not a normative RFC 2119 "MAY". It is also wrong in calling this situation "unusual and likely to be the result of transient or inadvertent misconfigurations". Rather, it is the natural transition state of any large server rollout. I think we need to delete that entire paragraph and replace it with text that describes the rules above. If we were doing a whole new version of the document, I think the text could do with reorganization. But that may not be worth doing, given folks should be using TLS 1.3 now. Thoughts? I can put together some replacement text if folks agree. What would be the best way to do this? Just an erratum? David _______________________________________________ TLS mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls
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