On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 4:01 PM Ira McDonald <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Eric, > > I agree. Let's get the semantics right. You mentioned a 3-tuple w/ > "Discouraged". > Should that be "Deprecated" (for clarity)? > The implied semantics are are: Recommended: The IETF has consensus this is good (e.g., AES) Not Recommended: We're not expression an opinion on this, it's just being registered , so caveat emptor (e.g., Brainpool). Discouraged: The IETF thinks this is bad and you shouldn't use it (e.g., MD5) But I think the point being that Deprecated might also be new stuff we think is bad, not just old stuff. -Ekr > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 5:17 PM Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well, we certainly can change it in 8446-bis. >> >> My put here would be: let's get consensus on the *semantics* we want for >> the various categories without worrying about the names (call them A, B, C, >> etc.) and then we can name them after. >> >> -Ekr >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 2:14 PM Ira McDonald <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Eric, >>> >>> Thanks for the background. I still sympathize with Hannes' point that >>> "Recommended" means "IETF Consensus". I have to explain this >>> too often in the insular automotive industry. >>> >>> But I certainly wouldn't write an RFC to change the title of a single >>> column in an IANA registry. I've been one of the Designated Experts >>> for the IANA Internet Printing Protocol (IPP) registry for 20 years and >>> we rename IANA fields as needed by a direct request to our IANA >>> folks (after consensus in the IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group IPP >>> WG - successor to IETF IPP WG in the 1990s). >>> >>> Cheers, >>> - Ira >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 3:18 PM Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Previous discussion is on this issue: >>>> https://github.com/tlswg/tls13-spec/issues/1214 >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:13 PM Salz, Rich <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> - I am actually not in favor of changing it to IETF Consensus. I >>>>> think these have different meanings. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To be clear, I wasn’t expressing an opinion on whether or not to do >>>>> this, I was just showing folks how to start the change process. >>>>> >>>>
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