I’m noting for the record that the AD asked for this to be moved to its own 
thread and then, once it was, stopped answering it.

Nadim Kobeissi
Symbolic Software • https://symbolic.software

> On 28 May 2026, at 8:59 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Deb,
> 
> Moving [1] to a separate thread, per your request. 
> 
> You're right about several things: chairs keep their own lives and opinions, 
> there is no requirement for separate identities, and the guidelines for 
> conduct carry no machinery for policing what anyone does on a personal 
> platform. I am not asking you to monitor anyone's account.
> 
> I do want to push back, with respect, on one part of the principle as stated, 
> that what a chair does on a personal platform is, for that reason alone, none 
> of the IETF's concern. I don't think that can be the rule, and the cleanest 
> way to see it is the limiting case: if a chair posted an overt racial slur 
> about participants in this group, none of us would say "personal platform, 
> not our business." What makes such a post the IETF's concern is not where it 
> was typed; it is its effect on the environment for the people in this group, 
> and its bearing on whether that person can still hold a role that depends on 
> their trust. Location is not the test. Effect, and the requirements of the 
> role, are. I am not equating a "go work at Whole Foods" jab with an overt 
> slur, I raise the extreme only to locate the line, because once we agree the 
> line is not "personal platform = off-limits," what remains is the 
> proportionate question actually in front of us.
> 
> Furthermore, on a personal note, I absolutely feel less safe participating in 
> the TLS WG if I know that I stand to be publicly ridiculed with the chairs 
> endorsing statements that I leave cryptography and go find other work (or 
> worse kinds of personal attacks; I can think of a few), if I post something 
> that they disagree with. There is no question in my mind that I would at this 
> point actively and strongly discourage all of my Lebanese students from ever 
> participating in the TLS WG.
> 
> And at its far lesser magnitude, there is a different question here: not 
> whether the chair is entitled to a personal opinion (they plainly are) but 
> whether a chair who publicly endorses ridicule of a participant in an active 
> dispute can be seen to rule impartially on that participant's draft, and on 
> any FATT review requests originating from them. RFC 2418 makes working group 
> chairs accountable to the responsible AD and charges them with managing the 
> group's business fairly and even-handedly. The impartiality of the chair is 
> not a personal matter; it is a property of the role, and it is the one thing 
> the role cannot function without.
> 
> So I am not asking for any sanction, and certainly not for removal. I am 
> asking you, as the AD who appoints and oversees the chairs, to weigh two 
> proportionate things:
> 
> 1. Whether the appearance of impartiality has been affected enough that 
> recusal of the chair concerned from procedural rulings on 
> draft-usama-tls-risks-of-mlkem (and from any FATT requests originating with 
> the same author) is warranted, so that those calls are visibly made by 
> someone with no stake in how the author has been characterized.
> 
> 2. A brief acknowledgment to the group that endorsing personal attacks on 
> contributors is inconsistent with the neutrality the chair role requires 
> independent of platform, and without anyone needing to monitor personal 
> accounts.
> 
> If the chair concerned chose, on her own, to reconsider the public 
> endorsement, I think that would go a long way toward restoring confidence. 
> But I take your point that that is hers to decide, not something to be 
> compelled through the conduct guidelines.
> 
> [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/hmZH_Rkibo55nS62hQeo3Lx-TqQ/
> 
> Nadim Kobeissi
> Symbolic Software • https://symbolic.software
> 
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