"Jesse Guardiani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> They have their place. You can't put TMDA on a 500 domain mail
> server and expect each user to learn UNIX and TMDA just to filter
> their mail.

But those are your users, not mine. I don't have the resources or
interest to handle hundreds of users who can't problem solve yelling
``I pressed Install and my email broke. Help!!!''.

> Granted, admins need to learn how TMDA works under the hood

That's really what I was referring to. The "first tier" of users so to
speak.

> TMDA will never see mass use

This isn't necessarily a bad thing.

> until a decent (read: NOT qadmin-tmda) 'magic gui' is created and
> maintained.

That's fine, but I'm not going to write it. It's not interesting work
to me, and as I mentioned, such things tend to be huge time sinks.
Perhaps this is why qadmin-tmda was so short lived.

> Only if it's written poorly. It's just a program like any other.

It's not quite like any another. The problem with a one size fits all
magic-gui is that there are lots of different shapes and sizes out
there, so it's very hard to write one tool that is going to work for
everyone. As time goes on, you either have to turn users away or the
magic-gui turns into an unmaintainable behemoth which consumes more
time than all the rest of the project combined. The unsatisfied users
then go and implement their own site-specific guis, and then you
wonder why you made the effort in the first place. In short, imagine
the phenomenon we've seen with tmda-pending times ten.

Providing a framework to make it easier for large sites to implement
their own custom guis is a better idea. This is some support for this
in today's TMDA modules, but it could probably be improved.
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