Ahh, the is the beauty of the cookie!  All my servers respond to
www.guidestar.org.  I start a session, save that session id in the
cookie, save the sessionid and data to the DB table that all the servers
share.  The next request goes to a different server but it can still see
the id in the cookie.  That id is used to get the session data out of
the table for use and then put the data back in.  As long as the DB can
handle the load I can add servers.  I am not worried about the network
handling the load because the only other way of doing this that I know
of is to use Filip Hank's In Memory Session Replication at
http://www.filip.net/tomcat/tomcat-javagroups.html which uses IP
multicast.  I didn't want all my servers to get load every time one
server got a hit.  If the DB gets overloaded I can always split my
servers into 2 groups and use apache session affinity to split the work
between them.  Which leads to my next email :) Do the worker names in
worker2.properties and the jvmroute in server.xml have any relation?

--Angus

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 AM
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> Subject: RE: how to suppor 30000 concurrent users
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> Sorry for being thick but Im a bit confused as to when you are doing 
> anything with the sessions?  If I make a request to one 
> server, then go on 
> to another for the next request, how does server 2 get my 
> session from 
> server 1 without server 1 having had to persist the session 
> to disk every 
> time any change is made to it?
> Pete
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> "Angus Mezick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 05/08/2003 15:11
> Please respond to "Tomcat Users List"
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> Doesn't seem to have that much of an effect.  I guess I should profile
> it though.  I don't want to use session persistence because 
> then I would
> need to use network session clustering.  Session clustering is a
> requirement for my app.  I figure using a DB instead of 
> memory to store
> my sessions is better than sending 5 network connections to 
> the other 5
> of the 6 web servers with the session data that will only be valid to
> ONE of those servers.  Before tomcat we were using Iplanet 4.1 and the
> cisco load balance we have SAID it could handle session 
> affinity but it
> didn't seem to be able to.  So we went with a DB solution 
> which, to me,
> seems to be the more optimal solution.  The DB also means I can have a
> MUCH larger number of active sessions using my servers because I don't
> have to worry about the sessions using all my memory.  I just have to
> worry about DB disk space but I had have 2 or 3 terabytes of 
> disk while
> only have 2 GB of memory.  Seems to be an easy trade.
> --Angus
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:40 AM
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> > Subject: RE: how to suppor 30000 concurrent users
> > 
> > 
> > Angus,
> > doesnt using a shared jdbc based session manager slow the 
> > whole thing down 
> > a lot?  Why dont you just use session persistence?
> > Pete
> > 
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