I think im pretty much done with JSP...tags and all. I think the future (the now) is XML/XSLT/CSS for the presentation. Do the presentation logic in java and stuff the results in a DOM and let XSLT render it. Yea XSLT is hard to learn but its good on reuse so once you have bult a widget you dont have to do it again.
Any one know about good Java Server Faces tools for the "lazy" among us java developers? or is JSF too late? Borland C#?? How about Eclipse? Now that IDE rocks. I think $MS is going to have a hell of a time competing with the open source community in the medium (5 year) term. Open Office is looking really good these days. Sun, IBM, and others sell hardware and services and so are investing big time in java and open source. MS sells? xbox hardware? professional services? Java+XML+XSLT i say. -D -----Original Message----- From: james Folsom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:58 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Re OT: Java/JSP vs C#/.NET Maybe I'm a little biased, but I don't see how it's even an issue. In order for there to actually be some sort of debate, Microsoft .NET would have to be at least somewhat comparable to Java. They aren't even close. People who use C# use it because they are lazy. The thing about doing J2EE is that you actually have to know something about computers to use it; it's not exactly point and click. So far the only valid argument I have heard in favor of .NET is that it is easy. If you want to be a cheeseball Microsoft programmer that just copies and pastes VB code then you probably want to use .NET. I as far as I am concerned Java is the only decent development platform business apps. Let's Compare The two on the basis of features and flexibility. Platform Independence: Java 5 C# 0. Runtime Environment w/ JIT: Java 1 C# 1 Object-Oriented: Java 1 C# 1 Support for web services: Java 1 C# 1 Aspect-Oriented: Java 5 C# 0 Scalable: Java 5 C# 0 Solid(see Flyweight Pattern) Web Architecture for developing dynamic HTML: Java 5 C# 0 Vendor neutral: Java 5 C# 0 Distributed object model (a.k.a. EJB): Java 5 C# 0 Open-source support: Java 5 C# 0 Standards managed by a community process vs. no standards managed by a company who has consistently proven that they have neither ethics nor scruples: Java 20 C# 0 As you can see, the choice is clear. .NET is nothing more than Microsoft vapor-ware. Three years ago, everyone was saying that DCOM was going to be the next big thing, now you can't even get Microsoft to support it anymore. Microsoft's game is selling books and development tools. In five years, there will probably be some brand-spankin'-new-latest-greatest-technology coming out of Seattle and all the spin-doctors will pump the press and try to convince you that .NET is obsolete and you need to spend a few hundred thousand dollars on development tools, operating systems, and training. Five years from now...... You'll can be rushing to try and keep up with the latest crap (and it is crap) Bill is feeding you. I'd rather not. I'll stick with Java. I hope you will do the same. As long as there are still people in this industry who actually know what the hell they are doing, Java will still be here. If you can chart the proliferation of ignorance and contrast it with the proliferation of Microsoft, you can see that the lines move in perfect parallel. --- Vic Cekvenich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >It's fun to complain sometimes. > >Here is more: >http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/07/23/java_qa.html >It seems that JCP and Vendors are leaving a lot of developers behind. >I can download Borland C# for free, more choices are better for developers: >http://borland.com/products/downloads/download_csharpbuilder.html# >C# is ECMA standard of course and you can do MVC w/ Mav-Net for example. > >.V > >Shawn Zernik wrote: > >> Lance: >> >> 100% Multi-Platform Support: Microsoft doesn't have it. >> >> Shawn Zernik >> Internetwork Consulting >> www.internetworkconsulting.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Xingqun Jiang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:57 PM >> To: Tomcat Users List >> Subject: Java/JSP vs C#/.NET >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I am a pure java supporter. I don't like C# or .Net because of Microsoft's >> monopolization (sorry, kind of prejudice). However, I notice that more and >> more people pick up C#/.NET due to their new advantages. I also heard that >> C# is much faster than Java. My concern is, can Java/JSP still be >> competitive to Microsoft's products? I don't like to see java be beaten by >> Microsoft since it borrowed so many ideas from java to make up the so-called >> "C#". >> >> ok, feel free to talk about this topic. >> >> Lance >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-- >Vic Cekvenich, >Struts Instructor, >1-800-917-JAVA > >Advanced <a href ="baseBeans.com">Struts Training</a>, mentoring and >project recovery in North East. >Struts conversion and <a href ="baseBeans.com"> fixed bid development</a>. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _____________________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! 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