A good developer never thinks much about tools. Prejudice is bad for innovation. It depends on purposes of the applications and working conditions to choose tools to be used.
--- "David C. Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think im pretty much done with JSP...tags and all. > I think the future (the > now) is XML/XSLT/CSS for the presentation. Do the > presentation logic in java > and stuff the results in a DOM and let XSLT render > it. Yea XSLT is hard to > learn but its good on reuse so once you have bult a > widget you dont have to > do it again. > > Any one know about good Java Server Faces tools for > the "lazy" among > us java developers? or is JSF too late? > > Borland C#?? How about Eclipse? Now that IDE rocks. > > I think $MS is going to have a hell of a time > competing with the open source > community in the medium (5 year) term. Open Office > is > looking really good these days. > > Sun, IBM, and others sell hardware and services and > so are investing big > time in java and open source. MS sells? xbox > hardware? professional > services? > > > Java+XML+XSLT i say. > > -D > > -----Original Message----- > From: james Folsom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:58 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: Re OT: Java/JSP vs C#/.NET > > > > Maybe I'm a little biased, but I don't see how it's > even an issue. In order > for there to actually be some sort of debate, > Microsoft .NET would have to > be at least somewhat comparable to Java. They aren't > even close. > > People who use C# use it because they are lazy. The > thing about doing J2EE > is that you actually have to know something about > computers to use it; it's > not exactly point and click. So far the only valid > argument I have heard in > favor of .NET is that it is easy. If you want to be > a cheeseball Microsoft > programmer that just copies and pastes VB code then > you probably want to use > .NET. > > I as far as I am concerned Java is the only decent > development platform > business apps. Let's Compare The two on the basis of > features and > flexibility. > > Platform Independence: > Java 5 C# 0. > > Runtime Environment w/ JIT: > > Java 1 C# 1 > > Object-Oriented: > > Java 1 C# 1 > > Support for web services: > > Java 1 C# 1 > > Aspect-Oriented: > > Java 5 C# 0 > > Scalable: > > Java 5 C# 0 > > Solid(see Flyweight Pattern) Web Architecture for > developing dynamic HTML: > > Java 5 C# 0 > > Vendor neutral: > > Java 5 C# 0 > > Distributed object model (a.k.a. EJB): > > Java 5 C# 0 > > Open-source support: > > Java 5 C# 0 > > Standards managed by a community process vs. no > standards managed by a > company who has consistently proven that they have > neither ethics nor > scruples: > > Java 20 C# 0 > > As you can see, the choice is clear. .NET is nothing > more than Microsoft > vapor-ware. Three years ago, everyone was saying > that DCOM was going to be > the next big thing, now you can't even get Microsoft > to support it anymore. > Microsoft's game is selling books and development > tools. In five years, > there will probably be some > brand-spankin'-new-latest-greatest-technology > coming out of Seattle and all the spin-doctors will > pump the press and try > to convince you that .NET is obsolete and you need > to spend a few hundred > thousand dollars on development tools, operating > systems, and training. Five > years from now...... > You'll can be rushing to try and keep up with the > latest crap (and it is > crap) Bill is feeding you. I'd rather not. I'll > stick with Java. I hope you > will do the same. > > As long as there are still people in this industry > who actually know what > the hell they are doing, Java will still be here. If > you can chart the > proliferation of ignorance and contrast it with the > proliferation of > Microsoft, you can see that the lines move in > perfect parallel. > > > --- Vic Cekvenich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >It's fun to complain sometimes. > > > >Here is more: > >http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/07/23/java_qa.html > >It seems that JCP and Vendors are leaving a lot of > developers behind. > >I can download Borland C# for free, more choices > are better for developers: > >http://borland.com/products/downloads/download_csharpbuilder.html# > >C# is ECMA standard of course and you can do MVC w/ > Mav-Net for example. > > > >.V > > > >Shawn Zernik wrote: > > > >> Lance: > >> > >> 100% Multi-Platform Support: Microsoft doesn't > have it. > >> > >> Shawn Zernik > >> Internetwork Consulting > >> www.internetworkconsulting.net > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Xingqun Jiang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:57 PM > >> To: Tomcat Users List > >> Subject: Java/JSP vs C#/.NET > >> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am a pure java supporter. I don't like C# or > .Net because of > Microsoft's > >> monopolization (sorry, kind of prejudice). > However, I notice that more > and > >> more people pick up C#/.NET due to their new > advantages. I also heard > that > >> C# is much faster than Java. My concern is, can > Java/JSP still be > >> competitive to Microsoft's products? I don't like > to see java be beaten > by > >> Microsoft since it borrowed so many ideas from > java to make up the > so-called > >> "C#". > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
