Re: I've officially bored of your stupid blah blahs

[Kunthar]

Guys,
Everyday nearly 120 new mail drops to this list. Should we have to
listen your important blah blahs??? Why i should define bunch of filters 
at all.
Is there any moderator watches this???
Stop this and continue this lovely discussion from your private mails 
please...
Shame on you cause i have to remind you that where a hell you are...
If you agree please do not response by writing some other crap, response 
by showing your silence...

Gokhan


Ivan Jouikov wrote:
What the hell are you talking about?   I am all for java.  Java is my #1 language.
 

Oh for crying out loud Ivan!  You challanged my assertion that Java is the
"number one language" asking for the source of the stats and I give them
to you but you just go on whining.  Please take your trolling somewhere
else.  Get A LIFE.  and as to C++?
   

        My trolling?  I don't even know what that means.  And I do have a life.
 

Huge file sizes
     

I wonder what compiler, and linking options are you using?  I do not have
a problem with my executables being "huge" at all.  Then again, I don't
use frameworks that are inefficeint hogs.  Sounds like the programmer.
   

    Huge file sizes was said about C++ COMPARATIVELY to C.  Any program in C++ 
will be much bigger than exactly same program in C.
 

100% guaranteed memory leaks
     

Sounds like the programmer.  My code doesn't have memory leaks!  Then
again, I know how to write disciplined code, something that quick and
dirty programmers can't understand.  I also know how to use tools that
track memory leaks.
   

	Looks like you've never written a 600MB program.  

 

And lo The Heavenly Father doth rest.  And whilst He rest, His hand
accidentally brushed the keyboard and somehow keyed in the following code.
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    Hahahah :)  That was a good one.  You telling me to get a life and you have 
time to do that?  BTW
 

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I really like how 1.5 has the for( Element e : collection ) loop.   Don't you 
agree?
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ivan Jouikov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:29 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the worstthingsto
ever happen
Ok let's settle this argument simple.
Tonight, I'll ask my Christian Science friend to talk to Jesus, and ask
him the following:
"Jesus, if EL really DOES decrease performance significantly, and should
not be used at all, please give me absolutely NO sign.  However, if EL is
a great thing and should be used by everyone, please give me a sign".
I'll report to you in the morning and let you know what was God's opinion
on that.
   

-----Original Message-----
From: SANTOS, DANIEL (SBCSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 4:02 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the
     

worstthingsto
   

ever happen
     

If this is the case then I ask you why Java has been the number one
programming language for 4 years now?
         

        Source of this statistic?
       

I assumed that this was fairly common knowledge.  I remember when it
surpassed C++ in Febuary of 2000 (I thought at the time in development
hours).  Having been a Java programmer since 1997, this was a pretty big
deal for me.  I even remembered the month/year it happened (which made
     

it
   

easire for me to find this report).  So here is the original report, a
Bloor Research study from Febuary of 2000.  It even has a cute little
graph that plots the various languages-- http://www.bloor-
research.com/research_library.php?pid=282
Now that I look back at it I see that this is when the *demand* for java
skills surpassed that of C++ skills.  It looks like it was just March of
last year
(http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/media/presskits/edge2003/factsheet.pdf)
     

that
   

that Java actually surpassed C++ in development hours.  This was of
     

course
   

the eventual outcome of it's demand surpassing all other skills.  The
     

data
   

from this Sun press release is from the Gartner Group BTW.
Java is King, there are really no "if"s, "and"s or "butt"s about it.
As to your performance issues, I don't have them so I can only sugest
     

that
   

you can examine your environement, your compiler options (are you using
hotspot?) and your getters.  All of my bottlenecks are in my DB calls.
     

I
   

have done performance analysis and never came up in my EL.  As I
     

sugested
   

earlier, maybe you can run hprof and see where the bottleneck really is?
Also, I considered myself a fairly hardcode C++ developer (having done
     

it
   

from '95 to 2002).  If I am ever in a situation where my memory usage is
critical, I'm almost certainly in C or C++.  If performance is
     

important,
   

I consider C or C++.  But IPC, threading, and networking is so
phenominally better on Java not to mention the benefits of garbage
collection and all of it's other features that I am hard pressed to
     

leave
   

it or go JNI.  I did need JNI recently for some file system stuff that I
wanted tweaked (traversing file systems with 100s of thousands of
     

files).
   

Daniel
     

As was recognized long ago,
performance is not everything.  And in fact, means little
         

when you can't
       

get your product out the door because you are still trying
         

to chase down
       

memory leaks, buffer overruns and corrupted pointers.
         

        When performance dependes on whether you use <%=hello%>
or ${hello}, I'll stick with the first one, considering that
it boosts performance up by like 5 times.
       

As somebody else
said, C++ programmers will understand this.
Daniel
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric VERGNAUD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:33 AM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of
         

the worstthingsto
       

ever happen
le 4/07/04 14:27, SH Solutions Ð [EMAIL PROTECTED] a Ðcrit :
         

Right now, I would say that java applications (if well
           

written) are at
       

least
         

half as fast as c applications (also well written).
           

Which means that when your java app is in competition with
         

a native app,
       

youve lost the market.
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