The last emails I deleted on that conversation were from 8 and 9 July. My calendar says that today's the 9th.
Have you been messing with the time-space continuum? -----Original Message----- From: Ivan Jouikov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 04:38 To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: I've officially bored of your stupid blah blahs That conversation ended about 2 days ago, I don't know why are you bringing this up now... > -----Original Message----- > From: Kunthar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:58 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: I've officially bored of your stupid blah blahs > > Guys, > > Everyday nearly 120 new mail drops to this list. Should we have to > listen your important blah blahs??? Why i should define bunch of filters > at all. > Is there any moderator watches this??? > Stop this and continue this lovely discussion from your private mails > please... > Shame on you cause i have to remind you that where a hell you are... > If you agree please do not response by writing some other crap, response > by showing your silence... > > Gokhan > > > > > > Ivan Jouikov wrote: > > >What the hell are you talking about? I am all for java. Java is my #1 > language. > > > > > > > > > >>Oh for crying out loud Ivan! You challanged my assertion that Java is > the > >>"number one language" asking for the source of the stats and I give them > >>to you but you just go on whining. Please take your trolling somewhere > >>else. Get A LIFE. and as to C++? > >> > >> > > My trolling? I don't even know what that means. And I do have a > life. > > > > > > > >>>Huge file sizes > >>> > >>> > >>I wonder what compiler, and linking options are you using? I do not > have > >>a problem with my executables being "huge" at all. Then again, I don't > >>use frameworks that are inefficeint hogs. Sounds like the programmer. > >> > >> > > > > Huge file sizes was said about C++ COMPARATIVELY to C. Any program > in C++ will be much bigger than exactly same program in C. > > > > > > > >>>100% guaranteed memory leaks > >>> > >>> > >>Sounds like the programmer. My code doesn't have memory leaks! Then > >>again, I know how to write disciplined code, something that quick and > >>dirty programmers can't understand. I also know how to use tools that > >>track memory leaks. > >> > >> > > > > Looks like you've never written a 600MB program. > > > > > > > >>And lo The Heavenly Father doth rest. And whilst He rest, His hand > >>accidentally brushed the keyboard and somehow keyed in the following > code. > >> > >>Troller ivan = new Troller(); > >>ivan.setIrrational(true); > >>ivan.setOverEmotional(true); > >>ivan.setLife(null); > >>ivan.setClue(null); > >>ivan.setThinkingStyle(Psychosis.THINKING_STYLE_BLACK_AND_WHITE); > >> > >>ivan.setDailyRoutine(new Runnable() { > >> public void run() { > >> while(ivan.awake()) { > >> Forum target = web.surfForUnsuspectingVictims(); > >> if(target != null) { > >> Iterator i = target.getMessages(); > >> while(i.hasNext()) { > >> ForumPosting intelligentPosting = (Posting) > i.next(); > >> intelligentPosting.read(); > >> ForumPostingReplyFactory replyFactory = > >>ivan.getPsychoticReponseGenerator(); > >> Reply reply = replyFactory.createResponse(); > >> while(reply.makesSense()) { > >> reply.rant(); > >> reply.bitch(); > >> reply.whine(); > >> reply.moan(); > >> reply.saySomethingIrrational(); > >> } > >> target.post(reply); > >> ivan.setIQ(ivan.getIQ() - 1); > >> } > >> } > >> } > >> ivan.slapSelf(Slap.HARD); > >> throw new IdiotTrollerException(); > >> } > >>}); > >> > >>ivan.run(); > >> > >> > >> > > > > Hahahah :) That was a good one. You telling me to get a life and > you have time to do that? BTW > > > > > > > >> Iterator i = target.getMessages(); > >> while(i.hasNext()) { > >> > >> > > > >I really like how 1.5 has the for( Element e : collection ) loop. Don't > you agree? > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Ivan Jouikov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:29 PM > >>To: 'Tomcat Users List' > >>Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the > worstthingsto > >>ever happen > >> > >> > >>Ok let's settle this argument simple. > >> > >>Tonight, I'll ask my Christian Science friend to talk to Jesus, and ask > >>him the following: > >> > >>"Jesus, if EL really DOES decrease performance significantly, and should > >>not be used at all, please give me absolutely NO sign. However, if EL > is > >>a great thing and should be used by everyone, please give me a sign". > >> > >>I'll report to you in the morning and let you know what was God's > opinion > >>on that. > >> > >> > >> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: SANTOS, DANIEL (SBCSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 4:02 PM > >>>To: Tomcat Users List > >>>Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the > >>> > >>> > >>worstthingsto > >> > >> > >>>ever happen > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>If this is the case then I ask you why Java has been the number one > >>>>>programming language for 4 years now? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Source of this statistic? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>I assumed that this was fairly common knowledge. I remember when it > >>>surpassed C++ in Febuary of 2000 (I thought at the time in development > >>>hours). Having been a Java programmer since 1997, this was a pretty > big > >>>deal for me. I even remembered the month/year it happened (which made > >>> > >>> > >>it > >> > >> > >>>easire for me to find this report). So here is the original report, a > >>>Bloor Research study from Febuary of 2000. It even has a cute little > >>>graph that plots the various languages-- http://www.bloor- > >>>research.com/research_library.php?pid=282 > >>> > >>>Now that I look back at it I see that this is when the *demand* for > java > >>>skills surpassed that of C++ skills. It looks like it was just March > of > >>>last year > >>>(http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/media/presskits/edge2003/factsheet.pdf) > >>> > >>> > >>that > >> > >> > >>>that Java actually surpassed C++ in development hours. This was of > >>> > >>> > >>course > >> > >> > >>>the eventual outcome of it's demand surpassing all other skills. The > >>> > >>> > >>data > >> > >> > >>>from this Sun press release is from the Gartner Group BTW. > >>> > >>>Java is King, there are really no "if"s, "and"s or "butt"s about it. > >>> > >>>As to your performance issues, I don't have them so I can only sugest > >>> > >>> > >>that > >> > >> > >>>you can examine your environement, your compiler options (are you using > >>>hotspot?) and your getters. All of my bottlenecks are in my DB calls. > >>> > >>> > >>I > >> > >> > >>>have done performance analysis and never came up in my EL. As I > >>> > >>> > >>sugested > >> > >> > >>>earlier, maybe you can run hprof and see where the bottleneck really > is? > >>> > >>>Also, I considered myself a fairly hardcode C++ developer (having done > >>> > >>> > >>it > >> > >> > >>>from '95 to 2002). If I am ever in a situation where my memory usage > is > >>>critical, I'm almost certainly in C or C++. If performance is > >>> > >>> > >>important, > >> > >> > >>>I consider C or C++. But IPC, threading, and networking is so > >>>phenominally better on Java not to mention the benefits of garbage > >>>collection and all of it's other features that I am hard pressed to > >>> > >>> > >>leave > >> > >> > >>>it or go JNI. I did need JNI recently for some file system stuff that > I > >>>wanted tweaked (traversing file systems with 100s of thousands of > >>> > >>> > >>files). > >> > >> > >>>Daniel > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>As was recognized long ago, > >>>>>performance is not everything. And in fact, means little > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>when you can't > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>get your product out the door because you are still trying > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>to chase down > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>memory leaks, buffer overruns and corrupted pointers. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> When performance dependes on whether you use <%=hello%> > >>>>or ${hello}, I'll stick with the first one, considering that > >>>>it boosts performance up by like 5 times. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> As somebody else > >>>>>said, C++ programmers will understand this. > >>>>> > >>>>>Daniel > >>>>> > >>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>From: Eric VERGNAUD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:33 AM > >>>>>To: Tomcat Users List > >>>>>Subject: Re: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>the worstthingsto > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>ever happen > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>le 4/07/04 14:27, SH Solutions а [EMAIL PROTECTED] a йcrit : > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Right now, I would say that java applications (if well > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>written) are at > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>least > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>half as fast as c applications (also well written). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>Which means that when your java app is in competition with > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>a native app, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>youve lost the market. > >>>>> > >>>>>------------------------------- > >>>>>Eric VERGNAUD - JLynx Software > >>>>>Cutting-edge technologies and > >>>>>services for software companies > >>>>>web: http://www.jlynx.com > >>>>>------------------------------- > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> > >>>>>--- > >>>>>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >>>>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>>>>Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 05.07.2004 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>--- > >>>>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >>>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>>>Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 05.07.2004 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>>--- > >>>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>>Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 05.07.2004 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>--- > >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 05.07.2004 > >> > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >>--- > >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 05.07.2004 > >> > >> > >> > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 05.07.2004 > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 05.07.2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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