On Thu, 17 May 2001, Hassan Siddiqui wrote:
> Perhaps there is an obvious solution to all this, so please respond
> if I'm being silly.
>
> Ideally I would like to
>
> 1. Search through previous messages/faq
> 2. Post messages
>
> Through one interface.
>
> One could use the local mail client for both, but this means storing
> N thousand messages in one's local area to address 1 above, which is
> certainly not practical.
>
> To me, a web-based forum (eg egroups, but with a searchable archive)
> is best. The best alternative I can think of is to use my mail
> client to post messages, binning all uncoming messages from
> tomcat-user to TRASH, and read messages via Philip Mikal's archive
> at
>
> http://mikal.org/interests/java/tomcat/index.jsp
>
> (thanks Philip), but this means reading/posting via two different
> interfaces, so isn't entirely convenient.
>
> I'm aware that jGuru have an online forum for tomcat, but this
> doesn't seem to be the 'official' forum, and is certainly not as
> heavily used is this mailing list. But perhaps the tomcat team
> could make that the official one.
I see what you're saying, but, ughhh, please, no web-based forums.
They are not good for high-volume, everyday reading. The interface is
clunky, interactivity is poor, they're slow, and they can be
unreliable (much of this having to do with the fact that it's done via
HTTP). I'd probably no longer participate if it were moved to a
web-based forum (of course, some might consider that a good thing :-).
As to the previous poster's comments, I think he's wrong on several
points. For one thing, I've been on this list several months, and I
don't recall seeing this topic discussed at all, let alone several
times. Further, I think he's off as to the capabilities of modern
mail readers -- particularly, I think there are many good, modern mail
readers that don't have the first and third features he mentions.
I do think the volume on this newsgroup is a problem (things are
mostly relevant, but the volume is awful high), but I'm not sure what
the best solution is.
> Ralph Einfeldt wrote:
> >
> > This topic has been discussed several times.
> >
> > The reasons you mention can be adressed by a proper organisation
> > of the mail client:
> >
> > - Most clients are able to show the messages by thread.
> > - Most clients are able to filter the messages in a way that all
> > tomcat messages go in a separate folder.
> > - Most clients are able to delete messages with a given age.
> >
> > If your client can't do that, it's time to upgrade.
> >
> > > -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: Dario Novakovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 09:51
> > > An: tomcat user mailing list
> > > Betreff: mailing list or news group??
> > >
> > >
> > > hi people!
> > >
> > > i've been subscribed to this mailing list for some
> > > time and the only conclusion i've got is
> > >
> > > THIS MAILING LIST IS LOOSING IT"S PURPOSE
> > >
> > > i can't believe that mailing list owners don't realize
> > > that news groups is perfect solution for this. what am
> > > i supposed to do with 300 or more mails in my mailbox
> > > every day? and most of them is "i can't unsubscribe".
> > > worst of all, messages are not threaded so i have to
> > > chase replies through bunch of messages i am not
> > > interested in.
> > > i asked three questions during last week and i got no
> > > answer, i think people able to answer ran away from
> > > this mailing list because they can't be bothered any
> > > more.
> > > please, please switch to news or this list will turn
> > > into soap.
Milt Epstein
Research Programmer
Software/Systems Development Group
Computing and Communications Services Office (CCSO)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
