So does that mean the guy in his Brooklyn hi rise without any gear can operate X number of stations in the US in say the 160M contest and likely win? There is no rule I see about not moving the 500m entity X times just as their is no rule about a cross country trucker operating and submitting a log..
Carl KM1H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Green WC1M" <wc1...@gmail.com> To: "'Robert McGwier'" <rwmcgw...@gmail.com>; "Tree" <t...@kkn.net> Cc: <topband@contesting.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating' > Your SDR was effectively a "remote receiver" used by the DX station. > Credit > for contacts made utilizing remote receivers depends on the rules > governing > specific awards and contests. Here's the relevant rule governing DXCC > credit: > > 9. All stations must be contacted from the same DXCC entity. The location > of > any station shall be defined as the location of the transmitter. For the > purposes of this award, remote operating points must be located within the > same DXCC entity as the transmitter and receiver. > > As you can see, this isn't completely clear. In the first part of the > sentence, "remote operating points" is not defined. Does that include only > the transmitter, as defined in the second sentence, or both the > transmitter > and receiver, as suggested by the second part of the third sentence? In > fact, the second part of the third sentence appears to contradict the > second > sentence! My guess is that they want the transmitter and receiver to be > located in the same DXCC entity, but this is not stated explicitly. > > Fortunately, the situation is much clearer for ARRL contests, and for most > CQ contests: remote receivers are not allowed. Period. (Well, except for > the > Extreme category in CQ WW.) For ARRL, the definition of a remote receiver > rests on General Rule 5.3, which states that all transmitters, receivers > and > antennas must be within a 500m circle. Since the 160m contact made by the > DX > station utilized a transmitter in his location and a remote receiver (your > SDR and antenna) located more than 500m from the transmitter, it would not > be eligible for credit in any ARRL contest and in most CQ contests and > categories. > > However, note that the ARRL rules on remote receivers do not preclude the > operator from being outside the circle. So, you can remotely operate a > station that's anywhere else in the world. The location of the transmitter > and receiver (which must be within the same 500m circle) defines where the > station is located, not the op's location. So, if you operate a > transmitter > and receiver located within the same 500m circle in Ghana, and you are > sitting comfortably in your easy chair in Brooklyn, NY, running the > station > over the Internet, the contact is perfectly legal for ARRL contests and > counts as having been made from Ghana. > > Hope this clarifies the issue, at least a little. > > 73, Dick WC1M > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert McGwier [mailto:rwmcgw...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 1:27 PM > To: Tree > Cc: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating' > > As a Software Radio Developer and chair of the ARRL Software Defined Radio > and Digital Communications technical committee, as a DXCC recipient, > contester, and as a ham radio operator period, I abhor this misuse of the > technology. Boo Hiss indeed. > > Bob > N4HY > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Tree <t...@kkn.net> wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 07:21:26PM -0800, Bob Kupps wrote: >> >> > What is the ethical position on this, it sure seems wrong to me >> >> What country are the people really "working" with their radio? >> >> There is not a two way exchange of information with someone in a >> single country - therefore - no QSO. The DX station is making >> these QSOs not count. If caught - they will not be accepted for >> DXCC. >> >> Next step - put the transmitter there too and make it even easier!! >> >> Boo hiss!! >> >> Tree N6TR >> _______________________________________________ >> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK >> > > > _______________________________________________ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK _______________________________________________ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK