Irene, I had to move away from this probelm for a couple of weeks.
I understand what you are saying now. Pick any person and replace the year value. The ontology would suit my pupose more if there was a way to Select: Person > has gender > Gender = Female > has date of Birth > Birth Year = 1965, without having to go into an instance of a person. The = would allow you to pick from a range of populated instances or suggestively offer the list of items. I.e. Gender, I would be visually prompted to pick Male or Female. On year, I could pick form 1964, 1965, 1967 and so on. I know this paradigm could get to be a problem of your options exceeded a certain number (say 50). This graphical kind of query is very important for the Research and Development work we are doing so that average end users can create visual queries based on the ontology instead of having to use the more restricitive forms of drop down menus found in most search engines that do not allow you to "reconfigure" the search classes. I recall earlier this year you said that this kind of grpahical query user interface was on your to-do list. Has it moved up on your development priority list? Are you looking to partner for its development? I would love to have a phone conversation about this subject. Canada 506-674-5439 Thanks. On Oct 2, 2:52 pm, "Irene Polikoff" <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think this is a limitation of the ontology design, but rather the > design philosophy behind the query by example feature. It expects you to > create a samplegraph. Given this, starting with some instance (does not > have to be this particular one) and browsing through to identify what > properties you are interested in makes sense. > > SinceSPARQLcan be used to createqueriesabout classes (such as SELECT ?x > WHERE ?x rdfs:domain :birthYear - give me a class in the domain of the > property birthYear), starting with a class is treated by the tool the same > as starting with any other resource. That is, you will see properties > appropriate for a given resource type. > > Thus, if you start with an instance of a person, you will see properties > appropriate for people. If you start with a class Person, you will see > properties appropriate for the instance of owl:Class (such as domain, range, > subClassOf, etc.) > > User's interest in let's say a person born in a certain year, often develops > because they are browsing the data and discover a pattern they want to > understand better. These use cases happen when users do not necessarily have > a preconceived query in mind but, rather, are getting their clues from the > data. Then building a queryusingthe data as the starting point feels quite > natural. > > On the other hand, if you know from the beginning that you are looking for a > person that was born in 1965, having to find such person beforecreatinga > query will seem like a hard way to start. In this case, it is best to > approach it slightly differently. You are interested in people born in 1965. > Query by example provides you with a template of how to query for people > born in a certain year. Don't worry if a person you start with has a > different year of birth, just pick any person, get the possible properties > as the result of this, generate a query and replace the value(s) with the > one(s) you are interested in. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of bradleys > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:14 AM > To: TopBraid Composer Users > Subject: [tbc-users] Re:CreatingSPARQLQueriesUsingGraphPanel > > Irene, > > The issue is the sequence of target selection. I clicked on Class > Female, then selcted Gender, then had to find my year and ran the > query. This is a really convoluted way fo finding which females were > born in 1965. Starting with selecting the year from one of the known > instances is not intuitive. Perhaps it is a limitation within the > design of the ontology example. > > On Oct 2, 11:44 am, "Irene Polikoff" <[email protected]> wrote: > > When I follow the HELP file example: > > > 1. Select AlinaMojica > > 2. Switch to aGraphview > > 3. Click to set the year of birth property for Alina (If properties > are > > not shown in the box, toggle on the property icon - it is 2 icons before > the > > generateSPARQLicon) > > 4. Expand to get the gender link > > 5. Click to set female > > > I get exactly this query > > > SELECT ?person > > WHERE { > > ?person :gender :female . > > ?person :birthYear 1965 . > > > } > > > I am not sure if there are some steps you may be doing differently to get > > another query or if it is a version issue. > > > Irene > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of bradleys > > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:13 AM > > To: TopBraid Composer Users > > Subject: [tbc-users] Re:CreatingSPARQLQueriesUsingGraphPanel > > > Scott, > > > I didn't get a reply to the Grpah probelm I am having. Below is what > > happened when I reproduced the Help file example. Obviously there are > > too many "persons" listed, so my quesiton is why? > > > On Sep 23, 9:17 am, bradleys <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Scott, > > > Yes, that is what I am trying to do but theSPARQLquery never finshes > > > executing. > > > > On Sep 22, 4:43 pm, Scott Henninger <[email protected]> > > > wrote:> OK, so forget about inferencing. SPARQLqueriesare independent > > of > > > > inferencing, and is not necessary for this example > > > > > If you reproduce exactly the exactgraphshown in the Help file, > > > > including the :gender link between :AlinaMojica and :female, I get > > > > the query: > > > > SELECT ?person1 ?person3 ?person33 ?person31 ?person35 ?person4 ? > > > person32 ?person15 ?person29 ?person26 ?person14 ?person24 ?person30 ? > > > person5 ?person16 ?person25 ?person11 ?person19 ?person28 ?person13 ? > > > person2 ?matriarch ?person ?person17 ?person8 ?person12 ?person9 ? > > > person34 ?person18 ?person10 ?person22 ?person7 ?person23 ?person21 ? > > > person27 ?person6 ?person20 > > > WHERE { > > > ?person1 :gender :female . > > > ?person3 :gender :female . > > > ?person33 :gender :female . > > > ?person31 :gender :female . > > > ?person35 :gender :female . > > > ?person4 :gender :female . > > > ?person32 :gender :female . > > > ?person15 :gender :female . > > > ?person29 :gender :female . > > > ?person26 :gender :female . > > > ?person14 :gender :female . > > > ?person24 :gender :female . > > > ?person30 :gender :female . > > > ?person5 :gender :female . > > > ?person16 :gender :female . > > > ?person25 :gender :female . > > > ?person11 :gender :female . > > > ?person19 :gender :female . > > > ?person28 :gender :female . > > > ?person13 :gender :female . > > > ?person2 :gender :female . > > > ?matriarch :gender :female . > > > ?person :gender :female . > > > ?person17 :gender :female . > > > ?person8 :gender :female . > > > ?person12 :gender :female . > > > ?person9 :gender :female . > > > ?person34 :gender :female . > > > ?person18 :gender :female . > > > ?person10 :gender :female . > > > ?person22 :gender :female . > > > ?person7 :gender :female . > > > ?person23 :gender :female . > > > ?person21 :gender :female . > > > ?person27 :gender :female . > > > ?person6 :gender :female . > > > ?person20 :gender :female . > > > ?person4 :birthYear 1965 .}Your thoughts on what is going on? I only > > had a checkbox on Female > > > > and brith year 1965 for Jeannie Ripp > > > > > SELECT ?person > > > > WHERE { > > > > ?person kennedys:gender kennedys:female . > > > > ?person kennedys:birthYear 1965 . > > > > > } > > > > > Running this gets all matches with the properties :birthYear = 1965 > > > > and :gender = female. (Clicking twice on "GenerateSPARQLQuery from > > > > currentGraph" - the orange star **in theGraphView** - will generate > > > > and execute the query.) > > > > > -- Scott > > > > > On Sep 22, 1:59 pm, bradleys <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > OK TB is version 3.1.1. > > > > > I amcreatingaSPARQLQueriesby Example from you TopBraid Composer > > > > > > How To? files. I am in theGraphPaneland as per the Kennedy > example, > > > > > I select the instance of female and check it, the click on the left > > > > > side arro to get "has gender" to appear with a list of all the > > > > > femails. I go to Alina Mojica and check 1965. Then I click twice the > > > > >SPARQLbutton on the Graphs tool bar. When this didn't work. I added > > > > > TopSpin to my File Settings Inferences Configuration as an > expereiment > > > > > thinking that perhaps my Inferencing hasd to be inline with mySPARQL > > > > > query. No lunk running a query. I tried for the mailes, an no luck. > > > > > Went back to the females and configured TOPSPIN inferecnign for > > > > > Workspace settings. No luck with my query. > > > > > > I just removed TopSpin from my Inferences configuration for File and > > > > > Workspaces and re-ran the SAPRQL query on theGraphpaneltoolbar. > No > > > > > luck after 5 minutes. > > > > > > I can go to a Centra netmeeting session here if you have time to > > troubleshoot:http://142.166.163.54/main/User/GuestAttend.jhtml?s_guid=000000 > > 9b777a... > > > > > > On Sep 22, 3:37 pm, Scott Henninger <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Bradley; There seem to be a number of things going on here. > First > > is > > > > > > that the version you gave is the Eclipse version. To find the > > > > > > Composer version, go to Help > Software Update > Installed > Software. > > > > > > > I'm not sure what example you refer to. By "SPARQLgraphical > > query", > > > > > > I assume you mean aSPARQLquery on agraphstructure? There is > > also > > > > > > a way to createqueriesfrom theGraphview, so this can cause > > > > > > confusion. > > > > > > >SPARQLqueriescan be executed independent of whether inference is > > > > > > turned on or off. > > > > > > > If you turn the inference mode on in theSPARQLView, inferences > > will > > > > > > be executed first and theSPARQLquery is applied to the union of > > the > > > > > > asserted and inferred graphs (i.e. original data + inferences). > > > > > > Therefore, theSPARQLquery will not be able to execute until > > > > > > inferences have completed. I suspect this is what you are > > > > > > experiencing. > > > > > > > Perhaps some details on the example you are trying will help > explain > > > > > > this more. > > > > > > > -- Scott > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 1:12 pm, bradleys <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > In preparation of testing my OWL ontology, I ahve beenusingthe > >Graph > > > > > > > feature in TB Maestro andusingthe Kennedy example OWL to try > to > > > > > > > generate aSPARQLgraphical query. I tried to reporduce the > > example > > > > > > > (female, 1965 and male 1965) but had no luck. The query engine > > runs > > > > > > > for 30 minutes but gives no instance results ie Alina Mojica and > > > > > > > Jeannie Ripp. > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TopBraid Composer Users" group. 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