Hmm, unsure I fully understand.
What I was actually asking myself:
Is the ordering for a property shape, for a certain group,…per shape or over
all shapes?
So then I was thinking, if it is per class…you could actually have:
:Root
shPropertyshape a
group: x
order 1
sh:propertyshape b
group x
order 2
:XClass
Subclass of :Root
Sh:propertyshape c
Group: x
Order: 1
Sh:propertyshape d
Group: x
Order 2
And then evn could show:
Xclass
Properties
A
B
C
D
If it is an order for a group over all shapes, the orders would obviously class
(since two times order 2…)
Do you mean it is this second case?
Thx a lot, Michel
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If you specify one order at a parent class and another order at a child class,
there is no saying which one would apply.
I recommend not specifying anything at the parent class that you do not want
inherited.
You could create a custom constraint component which would take the order from
the class itself, if exists and, if not, take the order from the nearest parent.
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On Nov 29, 2017, at 1:34 PM, Bohms, H.M. (Michel)
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Thx Irene for the extra info. All clear.
For the moment I used my own group there:
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The order is working perfectly.
I just moved a property-shape from a generic class to a lower level because I
did not now how to deal with that in my order-numbering. Would inherited shapes
also come first, the more generic the earlier?
(that would be ok since I do not want a generic shape show as number 6 after a
specific shape for instance….)
Gr, Michel
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This is really only about our internal development.
Holger mentioned it in response to your question about certain section headings
that appear on the forms, but you are not finding defined as SHACL groups. You
are not finding them because currently they are not defined using SHACL. We
plan to change this going forward. However, this should not impact your work.
Right now, forms for all classes in pre-built EDG models (e.g., glossary terms,
databases, applications, etc.,) are defined in SHACL. For your custom classes,
you can do the same and define forms for their instances using SHACL.
There is a ‘catch all’ section “Other Properties” that will list all properties
that have not been associated with any group. Understandably, its presence and
what to put there is not defined in SHACL.
Forms for classes themselves, properties themselves and for SKOS classes (e.g.,
skos:Concept) are not yet defined in SHACL.
On Nov 29, 2017, at 2:49 AM, Bohms, H.M. (Michel)
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Ok clear thx
You say “Once you have fully migrated to SHACL forms, none of these headings
should show up any more.”
Was wondering what that actually meant…which things should I stop/start doing
to get to that situation? (or do you refer to future evn sw dev.)
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On 29/11/2017 8:46, Bohms, H.M. (Michel) wrote:
Ok clear!
But better define my own group or reuse an existing tosh group?
The tosh: property groups are really about meta-shapes only, e.g. the
definitions of sh:PropertyShape themselves. These are unlikely to be
useful/suitable for your custom data models. So better create your own URIs.
I was wondering which group corresponds to the EVN “Properties” heading ….(if I
use that one…) but I see no tosh group with label “Properties” so this might
not be possible….
Some of these headings are still "hard-coded" as SWA forms. Once you have fully
migrated to SHACL forms, none of these headings should show up any more.
Holger
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The SHACL spec is intentionally vague about sh:order, because there are
different potential use cases and it doesn't have strict semantics anyway. In
the case of form building, the best practice that seems to establish itself is
to combine sh:order with sh:group. You can either reuse existing property
groups or create new ones. Then, use sh:order to establish the relative
position of a property within its group.
The example in the spec illustrates all this
https://www.w3.org/TR/shacl/#defaultValue
Holger
On 29/11/2017 7:40, Bohms, H.M. (Michel) wrote:
Or can I reuse the existing tosh:DisplayPropertyGroup?
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Hi Irene
The spec:
2.3.2.2 sh:order
Property shapes may have one value<https://www.w3.org/TR/shacl/#dfn-value> for
the property sh:order to indicate the relative order of the property shape for
purposes such as form building. The values of sh:order are decimals. sh:order
is not used for validation purposes and may be used with any type of subjects.
If present at property shapes, the recommended use of sh:order is to sort the
property shapes in an ascending order, for example so that properties with
smaller order are placed above (or to the left) of properties with larger order.
Seems to suggest (by not saying anything about “in context of a group”:
* Not always group needed for order of property shapes
But ok, where do I actually define this one group?
Do I just instantiate it myself next to the tosh groups?
Thx again! Michel
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The order is within a property group, so you need to create a property group
and add it to each property shape.
On Nov 28, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Bohms, H.M. (Michel)
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I tried:
kebo:TechniqueType
rdf:type owl:Class ;
rdf:type sh:NodeShape ;
rdfs:label "TechniekType"@nl ;
rdfs:label "TechniqueType"@en ;
rdfs:subClassOf kebo:Root ;
sh:property [
rdf:type sh:PropertyShape ;
sh:path kebo:analysisAndElaboration ;
sh:datatype xsd:string ;
sh:name "analysisAndElaboration" ;
] ;
sh:property [
rdf:type sh:PropertyShape ;
sh:path kebo:applicability ;
sh:datatype xsd:string ;
sh:name "applicability" ;
] ;
sh:property [
rdf:type sh:PropertyShape ;
sh:path kebo:applicableForRiskType ;
sh:class kebo:RiskType ;
sh:name "applicableForRiskType" ;
sh:nodeKind sh:IRI ;
] ;
sh:property [
rdf:type sh:PropertyShape ;
sh:path kebo:background ;
sh:datatype rdf:HTML ;
sh:name "background" ;
sh:order 1 ;
] ;
sh:property [
rdf:type sh:PropertyShape ;
sh:path kebo:backgroundImage ;
sh:datatype xsd:anyURI ;
sh:name "backgroundImage" ;
] ;
sh:property [
rdf:type sh:PropertyShape ;
sh:path kebo:externalExpertise ;
sh:datatype xsd:string ;
sh:name "externalExpertise" ;
] ;
sh:property [
rdf:type sh:PropertyShape ;
sh:path kebo:frequency ;
sh:datatype xsd:string ;
sh:name "frequency" ;
] ;
sh:property [
rdf:type sh:PropertyShape ;
sh:path kebo:goal ;
sh:datatype xsd:string ;
sh:name "goal" ;
sh:order 0 ;
] ;
But the order in evn of my actual property data stays alphabetical. What am I
doing wrong?
Thx Michel
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