Ok thanks, Matt. I can certainly understand these problems with the pre-bundled files. I guess for QUDT we may have convinced you (before) to switch to asset collections, as this allows you to use different versions as they come out.
But for the other bundled files such as dcterms the situation is not as easy. I just tried terms and indeed I see the warnings that you mention. This is not ideal and I wonder how to address this. Any solution that requires patching existing files is fragile. I guess you have found the work-around to add the missing triples already. To me this still sounds better than having to edit graphs that technically do not contain those extra triples. And even if you try to bypass the lack of the file editing through SPARQL injection or ADS, it still sounds fragile, error prone and would not work in cases like Data Platform where multiple copies exist in a network. And having to redo these changes after each TopBraid update is also not ideal. So what would be better solutions: 1) We could move all these external graphs into a separated project that users can delete/replace. 2) We could try to include modernized versions that better interact with SHACL. But in the case of dcterms, would people really want to see all these extra root classes under owl:Thing? Should they go under rdfs:Resource, or an artificial superclass? The choice should be up to the users. To help me scope the problem: Which other graphs are we talking about, specifically? Holger > On 8 Mar 2024, at 5:50 pm, Matt Goldberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > There are a few situations where it was useful. First relates to updating > QUDT, which was briefly discussed in this thread: > https://groups.google.com/g/topbraid-users/c/3t44aIHgXuM/m/pNVC-u_pAgAJ > > If I wanted to maintain a separate copy of QUDT as asset collections there > might be collisions between the graph URIs of the files and the external URIs > of the Asset Collections which could cause some confusion. But the versions > included can't be deleted or modified (easily) without Files since it is not > in a project. > > Additionally, sometimes tweaks need to be made to those files to fix certain > issues. For example, we use and/or import several ontologies that import some > of the common ontologies included with EDG. Some of these don't meet all of > the default constraints EDG has, so I have been replacing those files with > fixed versions to prevent those errors from occuring anywhere they're > imported. DCTERMS is an example of this; importing DCTERMS as-is will result > in ~25 SHACL warnings about classes in DCTERMS not having a named superclass. > I suppose I could have another asset collection or file in a project that > imports DCTERMS and adds those things, but that's another level of complexity > and indirection that I'd rather not have. If it was the case that the > included common ontologies were a project, it would be trivial to update them > and push them from Studio. > > Hope that makes sense. > > Matt Goldberg > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2024, 2:31 PM Holger Knublauch <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Hi Matt, >> >> We took that out for security concerns. Changing system files should be the >> last resort and is strongly discouraged. I would like to understand which >> parts of our platform are not sufficiently configurable so that you needed >> to resort to editing system files? (There is ui:override) >> >> Thanks for clarifying >> Holger >> >> >> >> >>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 5:49 pm, Matt Goldberg <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello- >>> >>> We upgraded to 7.8.1 and I just noticed that Files is missing from EDG. >>> Your documentation mentions that Files is now only available from Studio. >>> Why was that change made? Now it isn't really possible to tweak files that >>> come with the product by default, and since those folders aren't considered >>> "Projects" you can't modify them in Studio and send them to EDG from there. >>> >>> Matt Goldberg >>> >>> -- >>> The topics of this mailing list include TopBraid EDG and related >>> technologies such as SHACL. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TopBraid Suite Users" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/b8b611c0-0ba9-49ac-908d-6fc394feb9a4n%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/b8b611c0-0ba9-49ac-908d-6fc394feb9a4n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> >> >> -- >> The topics of this mailing list include TopBraid EDG and related >> technologies such as SHACL. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TopBraid Suite Users" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/F0B7EC53-3064-4290-A2E2-B13C6114BC89%40topquadrant.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/F0B7EC53-3064-4290-A2E2-B13C6114BC89%40topquadrant.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > The topics of this mailing list include TopBraid EDG and related technologies > such as SHACL. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TopBraid Suite Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/CAGyojU3eGPc13dxBEh%2B4E2D3CTKKiLVvnUFmkb8KO5x%3DLDRw8w%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/CAGyojU3eGPc13dxBEh%2B4E2D3CTKKiLVvnUFmkb8KO5x%3DLDRw8w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- The topics of this mailing list include TopBraid EDG and related technologies such as SHACL. 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