> On 9 Mar 2024, at 7:34 pm, steveray...@gmail.com <steveraysteve...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Actually, QUDT only has the major version (currently 2.1) in the graph URIs, > and that hasn't changed in a few years. Furthermore, the individual Units, > QuantityKinds, etc. do not have a version in their URIs, so there are still > problems with collisions between the built-in units and loading a more recent > release.
I guess such collisions are not the fault of the namespace developers. There is no need to change the URIs of all resources with each version. Programming languages/APIs also don't do that as this would break things all the time. Instead, users need to be clear about which version they "compile against". Anyway, I have recorded a development ticket to look into moving these external graphs into a dedicated workspace project, and that project could then be deleted and replaced via project upload. I just need to identify which graphs we are talking about. Maybe QUDT should also be moved into that new project. The timing is good (now-or-never) as we are just about to finish our work on TopBraid 8 which will have various other changes to the workspace anyway. Holger > > On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 10:26:15 AM UTC-5 David Price wrote: >> QUDT releases have version numbers in the URIs for their named graphs. So >> customers can load and use any release they want into EDG. >> >> We have a ticket in our services team to upgrade the DC and DC Terms >> collections, so hopefully the situation there will improve for the 8.0 >> release. Turns out many public ontologies used then for class definitions, >> etc. >> >> Holger - I like option 1) very much. Different ontologies, annotations, etc >> are considered “common” in different industries and a “separate project” >> approach would even allow us to deliver, for example, an EDG Life Sciences >> vs EDG Finance project with tailored common graphs pre-included in the >> future. >> >> Cheers, >> David >> >> UK +44 (0) 7788 561308 <tel:+44%207788%20561308> >> US +1 (336) 283-0808 <tel:(336)%20283-0808> >> >> >>> On 9 Mar 2024, at 11:36, Holger Knublauch <hol...@topquadrant.com <>> wrote: >>> >> >>> Ok thanks, Matt. I can certainly understand these problems with the >>> pre-bundled files. I guess for QUDT we may have convinced you (before) to >>> switch to asset collections, as this allows you to use different versions >>> as they come out. >>> >>> But for the other bundled files such as dcterms the situation is not as >>> easy. I just tried terms and indeed I see the warnings that you mention. >>> This is not ideal and I wonder how to address this. Any solution that >>> requires patching existing files is fragile. I guess you have found the >>> work-around to add the missing triples already. >>> >>> To me this still sounds better than having to edit graphs that technically >>> do not contain those extra triples. And even if you try to bypass the lack >>> of the file editing through SPARQL injection or ADS, it still sounds >>> fragile, error prone and would not work in cases like Data Platform where >>> multiple copies exist in a network. And having to redo these changes after >>> each TopBraid update is also not ideal. >>> >>> So what would be better solutions: >>> >>> 1) We could move all these external graphs into a separated project that >>> users can delete/replace. >>> >>> 2) We could try to include modernized versions that better interact with >>> SHACL. But in the case of dcterms, would people really want to see all >>> these extra root classes under owl:Thing? Should they go under >>> rdfs:Resource, or an artificial superclass? The choice should be up to the >>> users. >>> >>> To help me scope the problem: Which other graphs are we talking about, >>> specifically? >>> >>> Holger >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 8 Mar 2024, at 5:50 pm, Matt Goldberg <mgbe...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>> >>>> There are a few situations where it was useful. First relates to updating >>>> QUDT, which was briefly discussed in this thread: >>>> https://groups.google.com/g/topbraid-users/c/3t44aIHgXuM/m/pNVC-u_pAgAJ >>>> >>>> If I wanted to maintain a separate copy of QUDT as asset collections there >>>> might be collisions between the graph URIs of the files and the external >>>> URIs of the Asset Collections which could cause some confusion. But the >>>> versions included can't be deleted or modified (easily) without Files >>>> since it is not in a project. >>>> >>>> Additionally, sometimes tweaks need to be made to those files to fix >>>> certain issues. For example, we use and/or import several ontologies that >>>> import some of the common ontologies included with EDG. Some of these >>>> don't meet all of the default constraints EDG has, so I have been >>>> replacing those files with fixed versions to prevent those errors from >>>> occuring anywhere they're imported. DCTERMS is an example of this; >>>> importing DCTERMS as-is will result in ~25 SHACL warnings about classes in >>>> DCTERMS not having a named superclass. I suppose I could have another >>>> asset collection or file in a project that imports DCTERMS and adds those >>>> things, but that's another level of complexity and indirection that I'd >>>> rather not have. If it was the case that the included common ontologies >>>> were a project, it would be trivial to update them and push them from >>>> Studio. >>>> >>>> Hope that makes sense. >>>> >>>> Matt Goldberg >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2024, 2:31 PM Holger Knublauch <hol...@topquadrant.com <>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi Matt, >>>>> >>>>> We took that out for security concerns. Changing system files should be >>>>> the last resort and is strongly discouraged. I would like to understand >>>>> which parts of our platform are not sufficiently configurable so that you >>>>> needed to resort to editing system files? (There is ui:override) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for clarifying >>>>> Holger >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 5:49 pm, Matt Goldberg <mgbe...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello- >>>>>> >>>>>> We upgraded to 7.8.1 and I just noticed that Files is missing from EDG. >>>>>> Your documentation mentions that Files is now only available from >>>>>> Studio. Why was that change made? Now it isn't really possible to tweak >>>>>> files that come with the product by default, and since those folders >>>>>> aren't considered "Projects" you can't modify them in Studio and send >>>>>> them to EDG from there. >>>>>> >>>>>> Matt Goldberg >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The topics of this mailing list include TopBraid EDG and related >>>>>> technologies such as SHACL. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to topbrai...@googlegroups.com <> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TopBraid Suite Users" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to topbraid-user...@googlegroups.com <>. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/b8b611c0-0ba9-49ac-908d-6fc394feb9a4n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/b8b611c0-0ba9-49ac-908d-6fc394feb9a4n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The topics of this mailing list include TopBraid EDG and related >>>>> technologies such as SHACL. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to topbrai...@googlegroups.com <> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "TopBraid Suite Users" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to topbraid-user...@googlegroups.com <>. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/F0B7EC53-3064-4290-A2E2-B13C6114BC89%40topquadrant.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/F0B7EC53-3064-4290-A2E2-B13C6114BC89%40topquadrant.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The topics of this mailing list include TopBraid EDG and related >>>> technologies such as SHACL. >>>> To post to this group, send email to topbrai...@googlegroups.com <> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "TopBraid Suite Users" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to topbraid-user...@googlegroups.com <>. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/CAGyojU3eGPc13dxBEh%2B4E2D3CTKKiLVvnUFmkb8KO5x%3DLDRw8w%40mail.gmail.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/CAGyojU3eGPc13dxBEh%2B4E2D3CTKKiLVvnUFmkb8KO5x%3DLDRw8w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The topics of this mailing list include TopBraid EDG and related >>> technologies such as SHACL. >>> To post to this group, send email to topbrai...@googlegroups.com <> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "TopBraid Suite Users" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to topbraid-user...@googlegroups.com <>. >> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/61A542D2-BFFD-4A40-9328-55A3B44D306E%40topquadrant.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/61A542D2-BFFD-4A40-9328-55A3B44D306E%40topquadrant.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> > > > -- > The topics of this mailing list include TopBraid EDG and related technologies > such as SHACL. > To post to this group, send email to topbraid-users@googlegroups.com > <mailto:topbraid-users@googlegroups.com> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TopBraid Suite Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to topbraid-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:topbraid-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/b7f165db-3581-418b-8cdf-509fa6e28a9cn%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/b7f165db-3581-418b-8cdf-509fa6e28a9cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- The topics of this mailing list include TopBraid EDG and related technologies such as SHACL. 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