> On 19 Mar 2024, at 1:05 am, Matt Goldberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Exactly. The copy we maintain could either replace the existing file or we > could have a separate project with our copy of several files and the other > files would be deleted. > > I did just realize- the files that aren't projects aren't included in > backups, correct? So how would moving some external vocabularies into a > project interact with that?
Our backup service does include files, except for system projects. The new "External" project that we are adding for 8.0 will not count as a system project and therefore will be backed up. It also means that when replaced it will be backed up. To me this sounds like the right approach. Holger > > On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 9:50:18 AM UTC-4 Steve Ray wrote: >> I do have one request, since you are going to be building this new external >> project anyway, and that is to upgrade your copy of QUDT to the latest >> release. It is much improved. Feel free to send us feedback if there are >> aspects that conflict with EDG in any manner. >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 9:41 AM Holger Knublauch <[email protected] <>> >> wrote: >>> Ok, and with the custom "External" project, you could just maintain your >>> own copy and replace it in one go? >>> >>> Holger >>> >>> >>>> On 11 Mar 2024, at 1:35 pm, Matt Goldberg <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I suppose it technically could, but it might require exporting the graph >>>> first to make edits and it would require manually deleting each file >>>> individually every time there was an upgrade instead of just pushing a >>>> project. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2024, 8:46 AM Holger Knublauch <[email protected] <>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Ok, I am on it. One question (to everyone) though: it seems that the Base >>>>> URI Management page can already be used to delete individual files, even >>>>> from system projects. Why cannot that be used, followed by project >>>>> upload, to install custom versions of these graphs? >>>>> >>>>> Holger >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 10 Mar 2024, at 3:34 pm, Steveraysteveray <[email protected] <>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think moving QUDT into the dedicated project would be a great idea. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - Steve >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 10, 2024, at 8:50 AM, Holger Knublauch <[email protected] >>>>>>> <>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9 Mar 2024, at 7:34 pm, [email protected] <> >>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Actually, QUDT only has the major version (currently 2.1) in the graph >>>>>>>> URIs, and that hasn't changed in a few years. Furthermore, the >>>>>>>> individual Units, QuantityKinds, etc. do not have a version in their >>>>>>>> URIs, so there are still problems with collisions between the built-in >>>>>>>> units and loading a more recent release. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess such collisions are not the fault of the namespace developers. >>>>>>> There is no need to change the URIs of all resources with each version. >>>>>>> Programming languages/APIs also don't do that as this would break >>>>>>> things all the time. Instead, users need to be clear about which >>>>>>> version they "compile against". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, I have recorded a development ticket to look into moving these >>>>>>> external graphs into a dedicated workspace project, and that project >>>>>>> could then be deleted and replaced via project upload. I just need to >>>>>>> identify which graphs we are talking about. Maybe QUDT should also be >>>>>>> moved into that new project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The timing is good (now-or-never) as we are just about to finish our >>>>>>> work on TopBraid 8 which will have various other changes to the >>>>>>> workspace anyway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Holger >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 10:26:15 AM UTC-5 David Price wrote: >>>>>>>>> QUDT releases have version numbers in the URIs for their named >>>>>>>>> graphs. So customers can load and use any release they want into EDG. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We have a ticket in our services team to upgrade the DC and DC Terms >>>>>>>>> collections, so hopefully the situation there will improve for the >>>>>>>>> 8.0 release. Turns out many public ontologies used then for class >>>>>>>>> definitions, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Holger - I like option 1) very much. Different ontologies, >>>>>>>>> annotations, etc are considered “common” in different industries and >>>>>>>>> a “separate project” approach would even allow us to deliver, for >>>>>>>>> example, an EDG Life Sciences vs EDG Finance project with tailored >>>>>>>>> common graphs pre-included in the future. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> UK +44 (0) 7788 561308 <tel:+44%207788%20561308> >>>>>>>>> US +1 (336) 283-0808 <tel:(336)%20283-0808> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9 Mar 2024, at 11:36, Holger Knublauch <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ok thanks, Matt. I can certainly understand these problems with the >>>>>>>>>> pre-bundled files. I guess for QUDT we may have convinced you >>>>>>>>>> (before) to switch to asset collections, as this allows you to use >>>>>>>>>> different versions as they come out. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But for the other bundled files such as dcterms the situation is not >>>>>>>>>> as easy. I just tried terms and indeed I see the warnings that you >>>>>>>>>> mention. This is not ideal and I wonder how to address this. Any >>>>>>>>>> solution that requires patching existing files is fragile. I guess >>>>>>>>>> you have found the work-around to add the missing triples already. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To me this still sounds better than having to edit graphs that >>>>>>>>>> technically do not contain those extra triples. And even if you try >>>>>>>>>> to bypass the lack of the file editing through SPARQL injection or >>>>>>>>>> ADS, it still sounds fragile, error prone and would not work in >>>>>>>>>> cases like Data Platform where multiple copies exist in a network. >>>>>>>>>> And having to redo these changes after each TopBraid update is also >>>>>>>>>> not ideal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So what would be better solutions: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1) We could move all these external graphs into a separated project >>>>>>>>>> that users can delete/replace. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2) We could try to include modernized versions that better interact >>>>>>>>>> with SHACL. But in the case of dcterms, would people really want to >>>>>>>>>> see all these extra root classes under owl:Thing? Should they go >>>>>>>>>> under rdfs:Resource, or an artificial superclass? The choice should >>>>>>>>>> be up to the users. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To help me scope the problem: Which other graphs are we talking >>>>>>>>>> about, specifically? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Holger >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8 Mar 2024, at 5:50 pm, Matt Goldberg <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are a few situations where it was useful. First relates to >>>>>>>>>>> updating QUDT, which was briefly discussed in this thread: >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/topbraid-users/c/3t44aIHgXuM/m/pNVC-u_pAgAJ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If I wanted to maintain a separate copy of QUDT as asset >>>>>>>>>>> collections there might be collisions between the graph URIs of the >>>>>>>>>>> files and the external URIs of the Asset Collections which could >>>>>>>>>>> cause some confusion. But the versions included can't be deleted or >>>>>>>>>>> modified (easily) without Files since it is not in a project. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, sometimes tweaks need to be made to those files to >>>>>>>>>>> fix certain issues. For example, we use and/or import several >>>>>>>>>>> ontologies that import some of the common ontologies included with >>>>>>>>>>> EDG. Some of these don't meet all of the default constraints EDG >>>>>>>>>>> has, so I have been replacing those files with fixed versions to >>>>>>>>>>> prevent those errors from occuring anywhere they're imported. >>>>>>>>>>> DCTERMS is an example of this; importing DCTERMS as-is will result >>>>>>>>>>> in ~25 SHACL warnings about classes in DCTERMS not having a named >>>>>>>>>>> superclass. I suppose I could have another asset collection or file >>>>>>>>>>> in a project that imports DCTERMS and adds those things, but that's >>>>>>>>>>> another level of complexity and indirection that I'd rather not >>>>>>>>>>> have. If it was the case that the included common ontologies were a >>>>>>>>>>> project, it would be trivial to update them and push them from >>>>>>>>>>> Studio. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hope that makes sense. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Matt Goldberg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2024, 2:31 PM Holger Knublauch >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Matt, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We took that out for security concerns. Changing system files >>>>>>>>>>>> should be the last resort and is strongly discouraged. I would >>>>>>>>>>>> like to understand which parts of our platform are not >>>>>>>>>>>> sufficiently configurable so that you needed to resort to editing >>>>>>>>>>>> system files? (There is ui:override) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for clarifying >>>>>>>>>>>> Holger >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 5:49 pm, Matt Goldberg <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We upgraded to 7.8.1 and I just noticed that Files is missing >>>>>>>>>>>>> from EDG. Your documentation mentions that Files is now only >>>>>>>>>>>>> available from Studio. Why was that change made? Now it isn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> really possible to tweak files that come with the product by >>>>>>>>>>>>> default, and since those folders aren't considered "Projects" you >>>>>>>>>>>>> can't modify them in Studio and send them to EDG from there. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Goldberg >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> The topics of this mailing list include TopBraid EDG and related >>>>>>>>>>>>> technologies such as SHACL. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> <> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TopBraid Suite Users" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected] <>. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/b8b611c0-0ba9-49ac-908d-6fc394feb9a4n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> 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