-----Message d'origine----- De : [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] De la part de Topcased user list where issues are discussed Envoyé : jeudi 21 février 2013 22:55 À : [email protected] Objet : Re: [Topcased-users] RE : RE : UML Editor - any chance to get bugfixes anymore ? Hi Raphaël, Thanks for your answer. Yes, I saw that when I used the 5.3.0, but a strange point : If you define an actor, and a class, then creates a sequence diagram with a lifeline. Then using lifeline properties, you click on "represents", the actor or the class will not appear in displayed box, [Raphaël] Surprising. I have just checked and it works for me. If I select a property p1 typed by a class C1, as soon as I set the "represents" property to p1, the lifeline display title is updated with ":C1". What might be interesting would be to get both name and type and adapt graphical display through preferences. It will exist probably in next Papyrus release. but you're right, you can do a drag and drop to define that the lifeline represents the actor or the classe. That could be more coherent ... About diagram look and feel, of course we can say "UML is done for design and modelization, diagram look and feel does not matter". [Raphaël] We not say that. We really think that look and feel is important and that was one of the reasons why we decided to switch to Papyrus editors as it is more user friendly with more graphical customization capabilities. For me, that won't be right : the first opinion about an UML tool is done by diagram look and feel, and UML diagrams are included in document or slides show : in a slides show diagram look and feel is important. Especially because slides show are done for managers whose reactions are linked to schema beauty. If schemas are not nice, managers who do not care so much about design and modelization will have a negative feeling .... And I do not speak about student who learn UML for the first time ... [Raphaël] Agree with you raphaël Bernard Granier 8 rue Michel de l'Hospital 95310 Saint Ouen l'Aumone 01 30 37 27 84 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Topcased user list where issues are discussed" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Topcased-users] RE : RE : UML Editor - any chance to get bugfixes anymore ? Hi Bernard, First point has been fixed/managed in 5.3.0 available this evening :-) You can now drag and drop any classifier on a lifeline and set the "represent" property. ... and set different other properties as this mechanism is generic. Regards raphaël -----Message d'origine----- De : [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] De la part de Topcased user list where issues are discussed Envoyé : mercredi 16 janvier 2013 21:27 À : [email protected] Objet : Re: [Topcased-users] RE : RE : UML Editor - any chance to get bugfixes anymore ? Hi Raphael, Since you asks me to detailed why I prefer former topcased UML editors, here are some remarks on papyrus editors. It was a long time that I did not use it, and papyrus editors seems me better than what I remenbered. Anyway : - Sequences diagram are still not easy, espacially to define that a lifeline represents a class - some glyphs are not usual ones, for components or artifacts, this is stereotypes which are used - toolbox are less organized than topcased ones - contextual menu for child creation is not structured and the long list of available childs is not easy to use - manifestation and components realization seem not better than those of topcased ... I am interested by these ones, because it's a simple solution for students to define some traceabillites between schemas - at the end, I prefer look and feel of topcased UML diagram but this is maybe a question of habits. Hope this may help you, Bernard Granier 8 rue Michel de l'Hospital 95310 Saint Ouen l'Aumone 01 30 37 27 84 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Topcased user list where issues are discussed" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:29 PM.. Subject: [Topcased-users] RE : RE : UML Editor - any chance to get bugfixes anymore ? Hi Bernard, Polarsys is an Eclipse industrial Working group in charge of hosting and building a set of open source tools for embedded and critical systems. You can find more at http://www.polarsys.org/ TOPCASED components should migrate to Polarsys in 2013 (I cannot say when exactly for now). You are right : new Papyrus-based TOPCASED editors have brought new customization capabilities that were simply not possible with old editors but those new editors suffered of quality during one year and were less mature than old ones. Now we hope that TOPCASED 5.2.0 has reached a good level of maturity and that this level will continue to increase with TOPCASED 5.3.0 as other bugs have been fixed. Bernard, could you elaborate a little bit on what you call "usable"? what or which features do you like in "old" editors that you cannot find in new ones and that provide usability? Thanks for sharing, it will certainly help the community Raphaël Faudou ________________________________________ De : [email protected] [[email protected]] de la part de Topcased user list where issues are discussed [[email protected]] Date d'envoi : dimanche 13 janvier 2013 21:26 À : [email protected]; [email protected] Objet : Re: [Topcased-users] RE : UML Editor - any chance to get bugfixes anymore ? hi, I should miss some messages, but what is PolarSys initiative ? I understood that, due to some tocased design choices, it was not possible with topcased UML editor to adress Papyrus features such as to create a customized UML environment. My remark is not an "attack" (critique would be the french word), to create a product, we all know that it is needed to make choices ... A great things, would be to integrate Papyrus features in topcased editors which, for me, are more usable than papyrus ones. Bernard Granier 8 rue Michel de l'Hospital 95310 Saint Ouen l'Aumone 01 30 37 27 84 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Topcased user list where issues are discussed" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:16 PM Subject: [Topcased-users] RE : UML Editor - any chance to get bugfixes anymore ? Hello Vlad, sure externals can still contribute bug fixes on old UML editors. This is open source principle ;-) I could not find any patch as bugFix associated to the bug you mention. Where is it? did I miss it? Concerning the strategy, things are simple : there is no money for support on "old editors" today. It does not mean that this situation will remain the same in the future as there is Polarsys initiative that should address this kind of situation. Before Polarsys really addresses that maintenance we have to find alternate solutions. One is to get people ready to contribute become "committers" and add their patches. At AtoS we are ready to give some support to those new committers and act as "mentors". You can just candidate for that and provide some experience on development and on Eclipse modeling and graphical frameworks. Kind regards raphaël ________________________________________ De : [email protected] [[email protected]] de la part de Topcased user list where issues are discussed [[email protected]] Date d'envoi : vendredi 11 janvier 2013 08:42 À : [email protected] Objet : [Topcased-users] UML Editor - any chance to get bugfixes anymore ? Hello, What is the strategy regarding the old UML editors ? Can externals still contribute bugfixes ? 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