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Public shaming of companies does work, there is a good/bad ISP list below which can always be subtlely mentioned when communicating with ISPs: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/GoodBadISPs However, I think it is a step in the wrong direction to start publicly bring a support email into the public domain without discussing it privately first. In addition, you didn't link this "public information" part in your email to them. The problem of ISPs usually is not that they don't like Tor, but most of the time they simply don't understand it and approaching like this is not going to change that. Instead, if this were me (and I have dealt with many, many companies in the past) I would approach asking if they would consider allowing Tor on the basis you could perhaps reach an agreement over handling abuse issues for example. If that didn't work, even asking if they would accept non-exits instead is at least a step in the right direction. If they don't move from their position, then it is always open to ask tor-talk for assistance in convincing them or perhaps ask for advice on what arguments you can use in persuading them. I have even offered in the past (and this offer remains open btw) to assist in talking to ISPs to change their policy. Some methods work, some don't, but turning this into a you vs us scenario with an ISP won't work because ultimately they don't give a shit about one customer unless that one customer is bringing large amounts of revenue. Regards, - -T On 16/09/2014 21:55, obx wrote: > Dear tor-talk, Dear sectoor, > > I'm running a tor-exit at a small provider. Another customer at the > same provider complained they got blacklisted by sectoor for > operating a tor-exit. This customer doesn't run a tor server and > didn't run a tor server in the past. > > Hence, they got blacklisted as tor-exit. > > I did some lookups and it looks like you banned the whole class C. > > Why? > > There's no need to "guess" since the list of tor exits is public > information. > > Please understand that is level of irresponsible management on > your site, sectoor, can destroy the reputation of smaller > providers. > > I expect you fix this instantly. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUGKWUAAoJEE2uQiaesOsLHusP/inPrHFlRBlQwCC/cmI5UqvT WmZWc0w3G90rVUkEGNcwcZmsFA871QnvxcYU0v66OrnynPG28Vvq+0RO3Rxhwb1e jbdjoZTLkzEoTZorEIaaAHXh0YBh6w/7AZvdA5mLqxku7Zd0VtRWt7l4+hd381eK GXv2m8KY2dXEVcN2XuWxzshzMWcqklnlXuVBTg9sFGAFf4KpTWyVbeuacyLJEakL /l71rbmPA7sWVTcVRyfryUyW1ugEHstuafgbZH10pSho4b/5TF2rVpg7jGtmZYkB nWoK0xq4oMQjqm8QX1rVC+oaz//mfCY1Zevht06Gl7hxxHja7Hzf0wc6yS63uQGM eJlNIV1bBRo/pQ80fxwSDj7DFnbse1bpOwqN53ZziOy/ybXdBbGI2LQqyKe5eSVt aL9ufTxfkvXvJ6vgBMvqYXPRXMErWdQVmW9pHyJDl64wTANqyQ5DdF/9uBwpfYBA LFN4n5VbFNX24l0qiBrzWvNxogav4mGWvCGN058g8Ld7shusAQMcVe3vowOoETyJ HbyqKqL9hdK7UqS7FBbV3PVcf2yx77tYjH3z97NmDLY525xnd2hTHZHnCZBMJJBy gbWT3Na4AE85xpzG9rsNuWAI85pKtG9fM2NwV380oAWJ+cwU59zQQITnK8eSlHEE uY9VcXsRsdb5sT3yE/Xi =o3xP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- tor-talk mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
