Sectoor is no ISP. They run a DNSBL. Sorry if my message has been unclear. The problem is, that the /24 of the ISP hosting my tor-exit has been banned as tor-exit, regardless that I'm the only tor-exit on that network. This is disrupting IRC and mail traffic. I assume this might have happened to quite a few /24's out there.
*If* sectoor would be an ISP I wouldn't complain. But disrupting the service of innocent neighbors that just happen to have a similar IP address is irresponsible. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:03:19PM +0100, Thomas White wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Note: I have excluded sectoor.de from this message > > Public shaming of companies does work, there is a good/bad ISP list > below which can always be subtlely mentioned when communicating with ISPs: > > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/GoodBadISPs > > However, I think it is a step in the wrong direction to start publicly > bring a support email into the public domain without discussing it > privately first. In addition, you didn't link this "public > information" part in your email to them. The problem of ISPs usually > is not that they don't like Tor, but most of the time they simply > don't understand it and approaching like this is not going to change > that. Instead, if this were me (and I have dealt with many, many > companies in the past) I would approach asking if they would consider > allowing Tor on the basis you could perhaps reach an agreement over > handling abuse issues for example. If that didn't work, even asking if > they would accept non-exits instead is at least a step in the right > direction. > > If they don't move from their position, then it is always open to ask > tor-talk for assistance in convincing them or perhaps ask for advice > on what arguments you can use in persuading them. I have even offered > in the past (and this offer remains open btw) to assist in talking to > ISPs to change their policy. Some methods work, some don't, but > turning this into a you vs us scenario with an ISP won't work because > ultimately they don't give a shit about one customer unless that one > customer is bringing large amounts of revenue. > > Regards, > - -T > > On 16/09/2014 21:55, obx wrote: > > Dear tor-talk, Dear sectoor, > > > > I'm running a tor-exit at a small provider. Another customer at the > > same provider complained they got blacklisted by sectoor for > > operating a tor-exit. This customer doesn't run a tor server and > > didn't run a tor server in the past. > > > > Hence, they got blacklisted as tor-exit. > > > > I did some lookups and it looks like you banned the whole class C. > > > > Why? > > > > There's no need to "guess" since the list of tor exits is public > > information. > > > > Please understand that is level of irresponsible management on > > your site, sectoor, can destroy the reputation of smaller > > providers. > > > > I expect you fix this instantly. > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUGKWUAAoJEE2uQiaesOsLHusP/inPrHFlRBlQwCC/cmI5UqvT > WmZWc0w3G90rVUkEGNcwcZmsFA871QnvxcYU0v66OrnynPG28Vvq+0RO3Rxhwb1e > jbdjoZTLkzEoTZorEIaaAHXh0YBh6w/7AZvdA5mLqxku7Zd0VtRWt7l4+hd381eK > GXv2m8KY2dXEVcN2XuWxzshzMWcqklnlXuVBTg9sFGAFf4KpTWyVbeuacyLJEakL > /l71rbmPA7sWVTcVRyfryUyW1ugEHstuafgbZH10pSho4b/5TF2rVpg7jGtmZYkB > nWoK0xq4oMQjqm8QX1rVC+oaz//mfCY1Zevht06Gl7hxxHja7Hzf0wc6yS63uQGM > eJlNIV1bBRo/pQ80fxwSDj7DFnbse1bpOwqN53ZziOy/ybXdBbGI2LQqyKe5eSVt > aL9ufTxfkvXvJ6vgBMvqYXPRXMErWdQVmW9pHyJDl64wTANqyQ5DdF/9uBwpfYBA > LFN4n5VbFNX24l0qiBrzWvNxogav4mGWvCGN058g8Ld7shusAQMcVe3vowOoETyJ > HbyqKqL9hdK7UqS7FBbV3PVcf2yx77tYjH3z97NmDLY525xnd2hTHZHnCZBMJJBy > gbWT3Na4AE85xpzG9rsNuWAI85pKtG9fM2NwV380oAWJ+cwU59zQQITnK8eSlHEE > uY9VcXsRsdb5sT3yE/Xi > =o3xP > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > tor-talk mailing list - [email protected] > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk -- tor-talk mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
