garym wrote: 
> Given that you have two Touch players with exactly the same symptoms all
> of a sudden, I don't suspect something has gone wrong with both TOUCH
> players. I suspect something on the network or WIFI.  You say you've
> done factory resets of the TOUCH players. I might try this again, but
> when setting up, connect one to the Router via ethernet and connect
> without WIFI (you'll have the options of doing this when setting up). 
> Not for permanent use, but just to see if you can get the Touch to see
> your LMS again.

will look at this tomorrow if I have a spare cable


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