2013/3/5 Dirk Stöcker <t...@dstoecker.de> > On Tue, 5 Mar 2013, Noah Kantrowitz wrote: > > On Mar 5, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: >> >>> Stop wasting time and REUSE what is already there. >>> >> >> If you cannot be respectful of others on this list, please excuse >> yourself from the discussion. >> > > Respect needs to be earned and is not there automatically. And I don't see > anything to be respected yet. Peter is perfectly right, that starting to > rework a mature and existing system without real need and without downwards > compatibility is a dumb idea and wasted life time.
Respect has to meanings, at least in spanish. It means that the others have you (or your opinion) in esteem or regard, and it also means that the others don't attack you, or try to impose their opinions on you. I hope you only mean that the first one is the one to be gained, as the second one is part of a society. Returning to the subject, your opinion is that doing something that at first glance is not needed is "a dumb idea and wasted life time", which may not be the reality, as that is your opinion. If you impose your opinion as an universal truth, then that goes against the second definition of respect. And people saying that all the existing stuff on trac-hacks and elsewhere > isn't really needed and can be dropped are insane. One of my Trac > installations has 25 own site specific extensions and 50KB of code. I guess > many other installations have a lot more specific stuff. > I haven't say anything on that, but I think that having a lot of plugins for your app is not a reason for not upgrading/rewriting, is a reason for giving backwards compability. > If Javier really wants to improve things, he may fix issues, improve > existing code. And if there is a big need for database abstraction, then he > can start make patches and patches and step by step integrate an > abstraction layer. Thought I don't expect that to happen, because in this > case he would already have started sending patches. Well, I have sometimes sent patches in other apps I found, but I have usually encountered that talking about what you are going to do before you do it, sometimes helps saving work. If you see the OP and the title, you will see that I was asking whether if a DAL or something bigger than a DAL was going to be used or was planned to be used. Later on, with the replies I saw, I started to develop the idea of rewriting completely trac. The people who start with talking never get valuable contributors in my > experience. Thought I would be happy to be wrong for the first time. We'll > see. > > I usually report many bugs of apps, but the times I find a solution to a bug, that works for me, I usually send a patch. I can't study and correct all the bugs I see in all the apps I see. I won't take a responsibility I can't assure I will meet, but I will try to develop trac into the django framework as an app, and will write here back here if I succeed. My intention wasn't to get any funding, just to talk about my thoughts and what I considered would be interesting. Anyway, I hope it is not wasted time, Javier Domingo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Trac Development" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to trac-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to trac-dev@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-dev?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
