On Mar 5, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Dirk Stöcker wrote: > On Tue, 5 Mar 2013, Noah Kantrowitz wrote: > >> On Mar 5, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: >>> Stop wasting time and REUSE what is already there. >> >> If you cannot be respectful of others on this list, please excuse yourself >> from the discussion. > > Respect needs to be earned and is not there automatically. And I don't see > anything to be respected yet. Peter is perfectly right, that starting to > rework a mature and existing system without real need and without downwards > compatibility is a dumb idea and wasted life time. >
This is an unacceptable way to conduct yourself in the open source community and in the Trac community. No one here is dumb, no ideas are dumb, and no one is wasting time. You clearly disagree with Javier and thats fine (and on a personal note, so do I, I think it would be an unwise addition to Trac because the benefits wouldn't outweigh the increase in code complexity and time required to execute it), however you must express this in a way that shows that Javier is a fellow contributor and your conduct should be as it is with any other coworker or compatriot in a professional setting. > And people saying that all the existing stuff on trac-hacks and elsewhere > isn't really needed and can be dropped are insane. One of my Trac > installations has 25 own site specific extensions and 50KB of code. I guess > many other installations have a lot more specific stuff > > If Javier really wants to improve things, he may fix issues, improve existing > code. And if there is a big need for database abstraction, then he can start > make patches and patches and step by step integrate an abstraction layer. > Thought I don't expect that to happen, because in this case he would already > have started sending patches. The people who start with talking never get > valuable contributors in my experience. Thought I would be happy to be wrong > for the first time. We'll see. Thats a totally reasonable point of view, and again one I share, and expressed calmly and professionally. Lets start from here; Javier maybe you could convert a small portion of the Trac codebase in your own fork to demonstrate what you think the benefits will be? --Noah
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