On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 09:48:49AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> On Oct 9, 10:39 am, Jeff Hammel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I will respond to the TracHours side of thing, since I'm partially 
> > responsible for it.  TracHours was designed to meet the specs of one of our 
> > staff (a project manager, for lack of a better term) who didn't like 
> > certain features of TAEP.  Namely, he wanted:
> >
> >  * no addition to ticket comments when hours were added (save when hours 
> > were added with a message)
> >  * ability to edit hours instead of adding negative hours
> >  * ability to add hours as someone else with sufficient permission
> >  * ability to add hours on dates other than today
> >  * ability to query hours across (local) trac instances
> >  * ability to build reports (queries, really) for people's hours
> >
> > So those are the motivating factors.  TAEP is certainly more mature and has 
> > many more features, both built in and built as extensions, but I can't 
> > speak to it more than that (I'm a mere developer, no project manager me).  
> > We're using TracHours in house now, though honestly I don't know how 
> > heavily.
> >
> > Jeff Hammel
> > The Open Planning Projecthttp://topp.openplans.org
> > IRC: jhammel, k0s
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 08:21:03AM -0700, gctrekker wrote:
> >
> > > We are comparing the TimingAndEstimationPlugin (TAEP) and the
> > > TracHoursPlugin (THP) and I am interested on what users of either of
> > > these plugins like or dislike about them.  I have not installed either
> > > of them at this point.  We want to record the Level Of Effort estimate
> > > and time worked to help with during triage of milestones.
> >
> > > I am using the trac-post-commit-hook and would like to also capture
> > > hours from svn commits.  The TAEP has a modified trac-post-commit-hook
> > > that captures the time and updates the tickets.  Has anyone modified
> > > the trac-post-commit-hook program to work with THP?
> >
> > > I would appreciate comments from the group.  In searching the group I
> > > have not found many comments about this.  Thank you.
> 
> Interesting.  I have a few questions/comments about the TracHours
> plugin, if you have the time:
> - when clicking on the total hours for a milestone on your demo site
> (total hours: 645...or soemthing) which calculates correctly I might
> add:
> the breakdown threw the following error:
>  "Oops…
>  Trac detected an internal error:
>  KeyError: 'to_year'
>  There was an internal error in Trac. It is recommended that you
> inform your local Trac administrator and give him all the information
> he needs to reproduce the issue.
>  The action that triggered the error was:
>  GET: /hours"
 
>   does this happen in the current version, and is it planned to be
> fixed.

Fixed, I think.  Didn't know about this one.

> - is this compatible with the Timing and Estimation plugin for the
> purposes of other plugins that rely on it?  (assuming they only use
> the total_hours and estimated_hours fields)

I can't really answer that question.  The fields are named the same, so maybe.  
But I can't say.

> - what would it take to put back in the "add hours to ticket" option.
> the issue with directly editing is it doesn't prevent you from adding
> negative hours (ok, I think you can "add hours to ticket" with a
> negative, but it's less obvious

Nothing prevents you from adding negative hours now.  I've ticketed something 
like this:

http://trac.openplans.org/hours/ticket/22

> - can we get the hour updates to show in the ticket history even when
> no comment is included? (is this configurable?)

Not yet. Ticketed: http://trac.openplans.org/hours/ticket/23

> - any macro's planned to use this information and/or graph it.

No plans, no.  

> - any plan for totals/summations in reports and queries?

These are already displayed in /hours

> - support for master tickets?  (i.e., summation of esitmates/totals
> for child tickets.)

Would be cool:  http://trac.openplans.org/hours/ticket/24

> Btw, I think it's a pretty darn good looking plugin so far.  Similiar
> to the way Agilo does it, but their calculations are a little more
> advanced as they can operate on data from linked tickets, and do more
> than just sum.  I am digging it, I may give it a try over the Timing
> and Estimation plugin if it proves compatible with the other plugins
> that use this data to do other things (reports, etc.) particularly the
> Mylyn plugin, which I don't actually use, but some here like that it
> can update total hours for them.
> 
> Nice work!

Thanks

Jeff

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