--- In [email protected], James Ewen <ve6...@...> wrote:

> > It is not a good idea for a digipeater to delay a packet by 15 seconds.
> 
> 15 seconds would be a very long stand by time. In reality, the hold
> off time would only need to be a few seconds. I would think that 5
> seconds would be a top end standby time waiting for a main digipeater
> to make noise. With a proper digipeater configuration, the main
> digipeater should key up immediately after hearing a packet that is
> asking for a hop. No hold off or wait time. The delay before a SMART
> fill-in digipeater would step up should be in the neighborhood of a
> second or two at most.
> 

James, I must apologize here and read closer. My response was in respect 
reading a ~15 second delay in the original post which triggered my reaction. It 
was the original post by KC8RYW and chopped off in susequent posts that 
referenced the following:

>>> KC8RYW wrote:
>>>It'd work something like this:
>>>
>>>1) A mobile user sends out something WIDE2-2
>>>2) The Tracker2 hears this packet
>>>3) The Tracker2 doesn't hear anyone else digi the packet within, >>>say, 15 
>>>seconds
>>>4) The Tracker2 assumes the packet wasn't digipeted, so it repeats it,
>>>even though the Tracker2 is alias WIDE1.


Now I will stay on topic relative to this description.

How are you going to identify the low power tracker? I think a low power 
tracker would already be using WIDE1-1 for its first hop. If a "fill-in" digi 
digipeats anything other than a missed WIDE1-1 on the first hop it may add 
additional congestion under some conditions, because it cannot hear that the 
station may have already raised 2 distance wide area digipeaters.

I am certainly in favor of a "fill-in" that does not digipeat a WIDE1-1 hop if 
a WIDEn-N or other digi has already digipeated the first hop. This is certainly 
welcomed.

A "fill-in" digi should never act on anything than the first hop. Typically, a 
higher powered station with a better antenna will be using WIDE2-2. Most low 
power stations will have WIDE1-1 for their first hop.

How do you propose a smart "fill-in" would properly select a low powered 
tracker from a high powered station using WIDE2-2 for their path? A band 
opening would be an intesting event if a smart "fill-in" acts on the first hop 
of a WIDE2-2 path. If a DX station raised all the smart "fill-in" stations 
under this scenario I think RF bandwidth would be wasted on a wider scale on 
distant networks.



73's,
Tim - N8DEU




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