On 11/03/14 20:35, Rick Andrews wrote:
Rob,

What you're suggesting is that the add-pre-chain command can be used to log a 
cert that ultimately will not include the SCTs in the final cert?

Yes.

That seems like a path forward.

Great.

For the slight complication you describe, I suppose that needs to be added to 
the issue tracker.

Yes.  I just wanted to check that it would work for you before I did that.

I've just added http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/trans/trac/ticket/10

-Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Stradling [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 3:34 AM
To: Rick Andrews; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Trans] Question about PRIVATE option (Ticket #1)

Rick, thanks for raising this.  I agree that we need to make the
PRIVATE
option work in these scenarios.  As it happens, I mentioned this to Ben
just before the trans meeting last week.

My suggestion is that we should permit both Certificate SCTs _and
Precertificate SCTs_ to be delivered via OCSP Stapling and the TLS
Extension.

There's no reason why a Precertificate couldn't be issued _after_ the
corresponding Certificate has been issued!  :-)

Would this work for you?


Slight complication...
In the SCT v1 format, entry_type is "implicit from the context in which
the SCT is presented."
So, for the above idea to work, we would need to either:
    i) Define SCT v2, in which entry_type is expressed explicitly.
    or
    ii) Define a CtExtensions extension to carry the entry_type
explicitly in a v1 SCT.
    or
    iii) Expect TLS Clients to attempt to verify v1 SCTs sent via OCSP
Stapling or the TLS Extension twice (first time, assume entry_type is
"x509_entry"; if the SCT signature doesn't verify, try again, this time
assuming entry_type is "precert_entry").

On 10/03/14 18:58, Rick Andrews wrote:
Regarding Issue #1: _http://tools.ietf.org/wg/trans/trac/ticket/1#_
"Need options for avoiding logging private subdomains", I think the
design is not yet complete.
I understand how this works when my customer has chosen the precert
delivery option (I mask the second level domain in the precert that I
send with the add-pre-chain command).
But if my customer has chosen to deliver SCTs via OCSP staple or TLS
extension, and they want to keep their subdomain private, what do I
do?
I'm going to sign the cert without SCTs in it, but if I log it via an
add-chain command, the subdomains will be visible in the log.
-Rick

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