On Tue, 14 Jul 2015, Stephen Kent wrote: Steve,
Or, conversely, you could chastise Ben for making offensive statements about Google's "position" in his posting. I observe that Ben's reply to my question about the "our" in his message is that he was stating Google's position. Since the IETF ethos calls for us to participate as individuals, and since Ben appears to be trying use Google's stature in supporting a technical argument, where is the criticism of his statement?
While Ben could have made it clearer that he was speaking without his RFC document author hat on, he did clarify that later on. It is perfectly reasonable for any participant to explain why their current $dayjob would or would not be happy or violate/not violate certain protocol bits under discussion. In fact, such information is useful and can lead to participants opening up to further discussion and reaching new compromises. In the end, we would end up with more interoperable implementations from different vendors. In my view, Ben's remark were not "offensive", "flaunting" or "stark".
Also, I have never seen any vendor make a statement on an IETF list in which they openly say that their development plans are not influenced by whatever IETF standards may arise. I don't doubt that many vendors feel and act this way, but they usually don't flaunt their intent.
This is a very subjective view on your end. It is fine if Ben wants to clarify the position of his $dayjob vendor.
The issue here isn't whether browser UI details are appropriate fodder for IETF standards, but rather whether Google staff should make stark statements like this in the context of an IETF WG discussion.
I hope that Ben continues to explain the views of Google on various protocol bits. I am also confident that Ben can keep his document author hat and $dayjob hat apart. If the working group feels that Ben can no longer do this, we can think about adding another author/editor to this document, provided we can find a volunteer.
On 7/10/15 6:23 AM, Stephen Kent wrote: nice of you to reaffirm that Google doesn't care about IETF standards in this context. Steve, this kind of commentary really needs to stop. Melinda
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