William,
Just a thought ....
Maybe the IG's could have been first written in formal language to encapsulate all the rules (like they do for computer programming languages, and the technology exists). The presentaion layer for humans could have then be layered on top of the rules. This would have surely reduced the implementation and compliance testing costs of the entire HIPAA Transaction Compliance effort.
Imagine the havoc of specifications for C written in English. All of us look at Kernighan and Ritchie's "The C Programming language" Appendix A whenever we have doubts. The specifications are absolutely un-ambiguous.
Respectfully,
Ganesh Bhat
Transaction Group
Advent Software Ltd.
-----Original Message-----
From: William J. Kammerer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 07:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Testing for levels 3, 4, and 6
Chris:
Can we take this discussion to one or the other of the WEDI/SNIP mailing
lists, in order to avoid cross-posting? I suggest "Transactions,"
simply because discussion may uncover bigger issues than simply testing.
Having said that, I'm sure the various purveyors of HIPAA validation
tools and services must have the HIPAA IGs in some machine readable
format, replete with business rules and access to standard code sets.
Otherwise, they wouldn't be able to do HIPAA compliance testing (unless
they had really lousy programmers who hard coded everything in their
application code!!). So the stuff (machine readable IGs) obviously
exists - though the vendors may treat these materials as valuable
intellectual property, considering a lot of business knowledge is tied
up in them. And once an IG has been codified in some interoperable
standard, like SEF, it is not rocket science to produce an IMPDEF
version (or vice versa).
But I really want to know just what the heck anyone else (besides
testing or translator vendors) would want with machine readable HIPAA
IGs? Why would a payer or provider want to promulgate her own "subsets"
of the HIPAA IGs? What kind of trading partner specific junk would you
expect to see in one of these? Is trading-partner specific stuff even
legal under HIPAA?
William J. Kammerer
Novannet, LLC.
Columbus, US-OH 43221-3859
+1 (614) 487-0320
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher J. Feahr, OD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, 16 July, 2002 09:16 PM
Subject: RE: Testing for levels 3, 4, and 6
Rachel,
I have a few questions about this...
- What sort of labor is required to convert the plain text version of an
X12 IG into the IMPDEF format?
- How is the logic represented... SQL statements?
- Do commercial translators reliably read IMPDEF documents today?
- Are there other approaches to "machine-readable IGs" in reasonably
wide use besides IMPDEF?
- Will the XML versions of the standards eventually render some of
this moot?
Since we would only be talking about a different presentation format, it
would seem that X12 IGs could be translated to IMPDEF without any
specific HHS authorization... right?
(I'm sure there must be a slew of problems with doing this... or we
would have done it. Where is the current discussion taking place within
X12?)
Thanks,
Chris
At 03:14 PM 7/16/2002 -0500, Rachel Foerster wrote:
>BTW, a colleague of mine already has the HIPAA 270, 820, 834 and 835
ICs and
>a portion of the 837D in IMPDEF form.
Christopher J. Feahr, OD
http://visiondatastandard.org
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