Chris, I'll try to answer each of your questions in-line below. Rachel
-----Original Message----- From: Christopher J. Feahr, OD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 8:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Testing for levels 3, 4, and 6 Rachel, I have a few questions about this... - What sort of labor is required to convert the plain text version of an X12 IG into the IMPDEF format? <ref>Don't know yet. A colleague has developed a toolset to do some of the work.</ref> - How is the logic represented... SQL statements? <ref>No. IMPDEF is a UN/EDIFACT EDI message. Here's a snippet of an example from the 837D which shows both the message and the constraint/alias structures, and folded multiple code-value lines: . . . FTX+AFE+++Transaction Set Identifier Code' CDV+837' DFN+3' ELU+329+2+02+++++2' ELM+329+2+2+9+4+2' FTX+AFE+++Transaction Set Control Number' DFN+3' SGU+BHT+2++0+010+1' ELU+1005+2+01+++2++2' CDV+0019' DFN+3' ELU+353+2+02+++2++2' CDV+00' CDV+18' DFN+3' ELU+127+6+03+++++2' ELU+373+6+04+++++2' ELU+337+6+05+++++2' ELU+640+6+06+++++2' CDV+CH' CDV+RP' DFN+3' SGU+REF+6++0+015+1' ELU+128+2+01+++2++2' CDV+87' DFN+3' ELU+127+6+02+++++2' ELV+3+004010X0097D' ELV+3+004010X0097' DFN+3' GRU+1000+6' SGU+NM1+2++1+020+1' ELU+98+2+01+++2++2' CDV+41' DFN+2+1+Submitter' ELU+1065+2+02+++2++2' CDV+1' DFN+2+1' ELU+1035+6+03+++++2' ELU+1036+3+04+++++2' ELU+1037+3+05+++++2' DFN+2+2' CDV+2' DFN+2+1' ELU+1035+6+03+++++2' DFN+2+2' ELU+66+6+08+++2++2' CDV+46' DFN+3' ELU+67+6+09+++++2' DFN+3' SGU+N2+3++1+025+1' MEA+CT++*:::1' DFN+3' ELU+93+2+01+++++2' DFN+3' SGU+PER+6++1+045+1' ELU+366+2+01+++2++2' CDV+IC' DFN+3' ELU+93+6+02+++++2' ELU+365+6+03+++2++2' CDV+ED' CDV+EM' CDV+FX' CDV+TE' DFN+3' ELU+364+6+04+++++2' ELU+365+1+05+++2++2' CDV+ED' CDV+EM' CDV+FX' CDV+TE' This snippet is actually not all that different from a HIPAA transaction either, except that the syntax is X12 rather than UN/EDIFACT. Here's an example of an 834: ST*834*12345~ BGN*00*12456*19980520*1200****2~ N1*P5**FI*999888777~ N1*IN**FI*654456654~ INS*Y*18*021*20*A***FT~ REF*0F*123456789~ REF*1L*123456001~ DTP*356*D8*19960523~ NM1*IL*1*DOE*JOHN*P***34*123456789~ PER*IP**HP*7172343334*WP*7172341240~ N3*100 MARKET ST*APT 3G~ N4*CAMP HILL*PA*17011**CY*CUMBERLAND~ DMG*D8*19400816*M~ HD*021**HLT~ DTP*348*D8*19960601~ COB*P*890111*5~ N1*IN*ABC INSURANCE CO~ HD*021**DEN~ DTP*348*D8*19960601~ HD*021**VIS~ DTP*348*D8*19960601~ SE*22*12345~ </ref> - Do commercial translators reliably read IMPDEF documents today? <ref>Sure, just as reliably as they can read an 837, and 834 or any other transaction set. Any commercial translator that purports to support the UN/EDIFACT standards should be able to read IMPDEF messages today since IMPDEF is a "standard" UN/EDIFACT message specification.</ref> - Are there other approaches to "machine-readable IGs" in reasonably wide use besides IMPDEF? <ref>No, none that are based on any official standard EDI rules. There are proprietary formats, such as SEF and other XML-based formats, but none of these is an official standard.</ref> - Will the XML versions of the standards eventually render some of this moot? <ref>Possibly in somebody's lifetime.....I wouldn't hold my breath.</ref> Since we would only be talking about a different presentation format, it would seem that X12 IGs could be translated to IMPDEF without any specific HHS authorization... right? <ref>Any one can render the HIPAA IGs in IMPDEF and make them available. They just wouldn't be DHHS "officiallly authorized" since I believe that Washington-Publishing is the only DHHS authorized publisher of the HIPAA IGs. Keep in mind that a machine-readable format is not a "presentation" format, which I would interpret to be a human-readable format. If by presentation format you mean the presentation of the message to an application system, such as a translator, then both X12 syntax based and UN/EDIFACT syntax based messages are in standard presentation formats. IMPDEF is intended for translators, etc. to understand, just as the HIPAA transaction sets in their raw/native X12 format are intended for machine processing and not human processing.</ref> (I'm sure there must be a slew of problems with doing this... or we would have done it. Where is the current discussion taking place within X12?) <ref>Not sure what you mean by current discussion taking place within X12. The X12 Committee through its X12C Communications & Controls Subcommittee was a major contributor to the development of the IMPDEF message. Since X12 has blessed IMPDEF, I don't know how much more official it could be as far as the X12 Committee is concerned.</ref> Thanks, Chris At 03:14 PM 7/16/2002 -0500, Rachel Foerster wrote: >BTW, a colleague of mine already has the HIPAA 270, 820, 834 and 835 ICs and >a portion of the 837D in IMPDEF form. Christopher J. Feahr, OD http://visiondatastandard.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell/Pager: 707-529-2268 ********************************************************************** To be removed from this list, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that it may take up to 72 hours to process your request. ====================================================== The WEDI SNIP listserv to which you are subscribed is not moderated. 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