The 270/271, 278, and 276/277 guides all state that the real-time response
should be delivered within 60 seconds.  The 270/271 and 278 guides goes
further, stating that either the response, a 997, or a TA1 must be delivered
within the given time frame.  It also limits the number of inquiries on a
real-time 270/278 to one--there is no such limitation in the 276 guide,
which I believe is an important oversight that should be considered for
inclusion in trading partner agreements.

We are currently testing real-time 270 exchanges using a 'home-grown' tool
which connects externally using TCP/IP.  The port connection is maintained
with poll messages, and the response is returned within one minute.  If, due
to some internal error, no response arrives from our backend system to the
'front door' for delivery by the end of a configurable time, a default
response is sent to assure compliance with the 60 sec requirement.

Monitoring and managing turn-around time is easy when the provider is
connected directly, but difficult to impossible when the inquiry is from a
clearinghouse, since there is no way to know or control the throughput of
the entire system.


-----Original Message-----
From: Pulver, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Batch vs real time


As I read the HIPAA implementation guide ... the term "Real-time" doesn't
imply a set response time. Real-time means, a submitter makes a
"connection", submits the interchange and waits for a response without
breaking the connection. So far, I haven't heard of a specific
implementation for what "connection" means.

If anyone has implemented any of the interchanges in "real-time", would you
forward to the ListServe what your implementation is please? I think as an
industry we should standardize what this means in order to facilitate the
communication between providers, payors and intermediaries, etc..

Scott Pulver
Per-Se Technologies


-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Scholl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 8:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Batch vs real time


I believe, if you have now a real-time interface, then you are reqired to
provide the same kind of service (real-time) through HIPAA TCS.
But, since there is no standard yet on routing EDI files, this might not be
possible.
What is real-time and EDI?  I've heard 20 sec response time.
So, you are getting an EDI file, dumped into some kind of inbox, or pulled
from a VAN inbox.
To qualify for "real-time" you would have to poll the inbox every 10
seconds, process the request and then what ???? Deposit the result file in
your outbox with the VAN, put it in your ftp server's outbox for pick-up or
push it into the receiver's inbox?
None of the traditional EDI routing mechanisms is designed for real-time.
Now there might be some solutions. Technically sophisticated, expensive and
proprietary that allow you "real-time" EDI transfer, but I think the
Legislator cannot force you to go that route.
I would say, try your best and let the dust settle.  Maybe we will see in
the near future some nice, open interfaces that the industry can standardize
on.
Martin Scholl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
www.HIPAASuite.com <http://www.HIPAASuite.com>
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301-570-0139 Fax




-----Original Message-----
From: Fleming, Cindy R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 4:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Batch vs real time


Could someone please assist me with the following question:

For the 270/271 and the 276/277 transactions, are payers required to be able
to process these transactions in batch or is real time sufficient?

Thank you,
Cindy Fleming


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