On So, 2006-09-17 at 16:00 +0930, Clytie Siddall wrote:
> On 14/09/2006, at 12:31 AM, Dwayne Bailey wrote:
> 
> > I see Friedel has integrated this patch.  Congratulations and  
> > thanks for
> > this.  I know I've wanted to hack on this for a while and am glad you
> > got it done :)
> 
> I'm a bit curious about the need for clickable special characters:  
> I've also seen them in the Wikipedia-group edit fields.
> 
> Does this mean that not all the current main OS provide a built-in  
> system-wide special characters palette?
> 
> OSX does, but I'm learning that I can't assume these things are  
> widespread. It's also the only system that has built-in input support  
> for my language.
> 
> (I've found that one out very late: we may not even have the special  
> input-system packages ready for our initial Debian release: Etch. :(
> 
> No wonder I've had dreadful ASCII emails from people asking how they  
> can input Vietnamese on their computers! I couldn't work it out at  
> the time. <sigh>)
> 
> from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm  
> Việt hóa phần mềm tự do)
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN
> 

If you mean do the operating systems have _some_ way of entering these
characters, I guess all of them do. But finding your special L with
circumflex below in the character map (each time) can be time consuming
and frustrating and is no way to type. Of course, these clickable
characters aren't either, but at least they save some time and is drop
dead easy to use (in the browsers that they work in). 

I'd be interested to know if this will be at all useful for languages
like Vietnamese with combined diacritics, or languages with complex
input methods - I have no experience with that. All the South African
languages that we work on have all their characters defined in unicode.
I guess for many languages there will simply be too many characters to
put there. Then again, if you don't have a keyboard layout I guess this
could still be useful.

I'm also wondering if this might be useful for people with entirely
different script to include the Latin alphabet there for the few things
that they want to leave untranslated / untransliterated. This way they
don't need to know a Latin based layout.


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