From: Bernie McEwen-LBM022 <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: TNV Transformer Spacings

Gert and Rich, Ferrite a non-conductor? - at about 50kR across a cube,
ferrite is hardly a non-conductor. For creepage distance, the surface of
ferrite must be treated as a conductor. In order for a barrier to be
maintained across a transformer, the ferrite core must be designated to
be on one side of the barrier; creepage distance and clearance must be
maintained between the core and the windings on the other side.

Rich is correct: if the ferrite core intrudes to reduce the air gap, or
creepage distance to less than those specified in ...950, then the
transformers aren't compliant. Send them back.

Changing to a powder iron core will not worsen the situation. Ferrite is
powdered iron loaded ceramic: FERR-ite

Regards, Bernie McEwen

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> Hello Rich,
> 
> To my opinion ferrite powder cores must be treated as a non-conductor,
> not as an isolator. As creepage distances exist to prevent conducting
> and tracking by pollution between live parts and accessible
> conductors, I consider this is acceptable.
> If some isolation function existed for the ferrite, or it would reduce
> a clearance, it would be not acceptable.
> 
> Make sure however that the ferrite is not replaced by an powder iron
> core, which is much more like a conductor. 
> 
> Gert Gremmen
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>               -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>               Van:    [email protected] [SMTP:[email protected]]
>               Verzonden:      woensdag 25 februari 1998 23:48
>               Aan:    [email protected]
>               Onderwerp:      TNV Transformer Spacings
> 
>               Hello All,
> 
>               I received some transformer samples for a modem front
> end circuit that
>               are supposed to have been designed to UL1950 and IEC950
> creepage
>               dimensions.  It appears that the spacings would be
> correct if the core
>               material was not considered. I believe this to be an
> oversight made by
>               the transformer designer.  
> 
>               Is the ferrite core considered a conductive material? If
> so, do the
>               primary-secondary distances apply to each winding and
> the core material?
> 
>               Thanks in advance, 
> 
>               Rich Kalian
>               Aware, Inc. 
>               [email protected]
> 
> 

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