Hi Richard, 

I don't claim to be an expert but have you tried the 
back of Belden's catalogue to see if it compares? 

***** Begin Quoted Material *****

 Current   Degree Rise above ambient 
   Amps    10 C         35C 

   17      10 AWG       14 AWG 

           ----- 

 No. of Conductors      Factors 

 1                      1.6 
 2-3                    1.0 
 4-5                    0.8 
 6-15                   0.7 
 16-30                  0.5 


***** End Quoted Material ***** 

The decrease in factors is a result of external wires 
thermally insulating interior wires of a wire bundle. 

Regards, Doug 


At 01:47 PM 11/3/98 +0000, Richard Steele wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>I'm trying to make sure that some conductors carrying 230V r.m.s in an
>ambient temperature of 70oC have a large enough conductor and the
>correct insulation to withstand a short circuit current of 17A for 30
>minutes.
>
>Does anyone know which formulae are appropriate?
>
>I have tried the calculations in BS7454 : 1991 "Calculations of
>thermally permissible short-circuit currents, taking into account
>non-adiabatic heating effects" and the results don't seem to make sense.
>
>So here are the parameters
>
>Max current = 17A
>Start temp - 20oC
>Conductor size - 1.5mm2
>Time period - 30 mins
>Conductors not bunched
>
>I'm trying to find out what the final PVC insulation temperature will
>be, all the catalogues that I have only seem to give the current at 20
>or 30oC.
>
>The results I have are:
>Adiabatic - 23291.48oC
>Non-adiabatic - 34.48oC
>
>The results are supposed to give the final temperature. For the
>non-adiabatic result, is a 14oC rise what you would expect or is this
>the
>whole rise 20 + 34.48 = 54.48oC?
>
>
>Are there any wire experts out there?
>
>Regards
>
>Richard
>
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