Howdy! Thanks for the pointer, but I think I'm going back to the 755p. The problem with Exchange sync on the Mogul was kinda the last straw, since getting BETTER Exchange sync was one of the reasons I was looking at WinMob.
I like the keyboard OK. The keys are responsive, and have a light touch - better than the Treo in that way. They are spaced far apart, relatively, and that would take some getting used to, I think. With the Treo keyboard I don't have to move my thumbs very far. With the Mogul, I have to move them more - not sure if that would be an issue or not. Having it tucked away is cool from a showing off point of view, but having the keyboard right there (ala Treo or Blackberry) is better from an efficiency point of view. The screen is a bit of a disappointment. As Craig would no doubt point out, 240x320 isn't as good as 320x320, and that shows particularly when using Google Maps, which just look crappy on the Mogul computer to the Treo. Generally WinMob does a better job of presenting things on the screen - things look better. Palm's screen fonts look a little clunky by comparison. I think I've convinced myself to sit tight and await the Next Generation. Now that they've called a device "Centro" - sorta jumping over the 800's and 900's right to 1000, I guess my naming suggestion, Treo IX, is a little small. Maybe Treo XI!! Cheers, Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Levi Wallach Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: RE: [Treo] Are they trying to slow me down? Hey Don, I certainly understand your frustration, since new versions of an OS should make things easier, not harder! I took a quick look in the forums and found a reference to a third party calendar app which sound a lot more sophisticated and hopefully removes some of the steps you talk about: http://www.developerone.com/agendaone/ Don, I don't remember you commenting on the keyboard, other than you have to "pull it out" (or whatever your wording was) to use it. Other than that inconvenience (and how much of an inconveniences is that?), how do you like it? Is it much easier to type than a Treo keyboard? How about the screen? Much bigger and easier to read things? I'm not considering a Mogul at this point, but if a TyTN II or something similar comes out for Sprint, I thought it might be a good upgrade - in another year that is. Maybe I'd try to wait 14 months to see what the new Palm device is like, or if at that point they've postponed it another 6-12 months or simply given up and decided to drop PalmOS and just do WM... Levi > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Don Ferguson > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 3:40 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Treo] Are they trying to slow me down? > > Hi Levi! > > All excellent analysis, as usual! I suppose there are tweaks/hacks > etc. > that could overcome each of the shortcomings I mentioned, and it sounds > like the out of the box design of the 700wx does much of this. I was > hoping that the Mogul would be a more refined design, and that WinMob 6 > would also be, right out of the box. What I found was a hardware and > software design that seemed focused on everything BUT an efficient user > experience. > > I have to give another example where at least WinMob6 on the Mogul > seems > to have gone the other way! Let's say you have an appointment on your > calendar. If you want to change it, you tap on it to open the single > appointment for viewing. On WinMob5 (and predecessors way back to > PPC2) > there was an edit button that you had to push to actually change the > appointment. That always seemed inefficient to me -- if I tap it, let > me edit it on the NEXT screen. Now, with WinMob6 on the Mogul, not > only > do I have to go through that inefficient intermediary screen, but there > is NO edit button. I have to press the menu soft button and then > select > Edit from the menu! > > So, just to continue my long chronicle of what it takes to edit an > appointment: > > Turn on the Mogul with the On button. > Press the Calendar soft button. > Scroll to the day on which the appointment exists. > Tap the calendar entry. > Press the Menu soft button. > Tap Edit (or scroll down 2 - Edit isn't the default action). > Tap the Subject. > Scroll to the place where you want to make the change (it displays 22 > characters of the subject in portrait mode, 32 in landscape mode) > Make the change. > Click OK > > 10 steps. Compare to Palm: 1) press the calendar button, 2) scroll to > the day the appointment exists, 3) Tap the calendar entry where you > want > to make the change, 4) Make the change. > > 10:4. > > Anyway, my main point: they should have improved things from a > productivity point of view. They've certainly had time to get it > right, > with little in the way of results. Even little ol' me could tell them > about 50 things to do that would make the product MUCH more productive > and efficient. There are probably thousands of "Dons" out there who > could do it, and my commentary was mostly just disappointment that this > hasn't happened. I don't see much improvement (some, but not much) > compared to the PPC 2 iPaq I used all those years ago. My guess is > that > Palm did more fixing of the inefficiency of WinMob with the 700wx than > has been done by Microsoft or all the other hardware manufacturers > combined. > > Anyway, that's it! You're probably right that I could replace things > such that the Mogul would be more efficient. My point is that it's HTC > and Microsoft who should be focused on doing this, not me! And I'm > guessing I'd find the 700wx more efficient than the Mogul, but you're > right about my not wanting to go back to the 700 form factor after > getting used to the 755p. I think it'll be pretty cool to watch how > the > evolution of the Treo goes. With parallel development of WinMob > systems > and PalmIX systems, I'm sure Palm will continue to inject a focus on > productivity that the other manufacturers just don't seem to have their > eyes on. > > Cheers, > Don > Btw, if you think the battery life on the 755p is poor, just try the > Mogul! Doing very little with it, it completely ran out of juice both > yesterday and today. Followup note: this last time it ran out of > battery, after I plugged it in it came up with an error saying that a > problem with the local Outlook required me to resync my Exchange > mailbox > with the Mogul. Step 1: erase all email, calendar, contacts and tasks > from the Mogul. Step 2: re-download all that from the server. So much > for WinMob being more stable with Exchange better than Versamail!!! > Yahoo! Groups Links
