Pete, You nailed it. You either relent to Microsoft or choose another path. They twist and complicate in the most torturous ways. Unraveling what should be the most basic task seems monumental sometimes. The infinite support on the internet helps get through it, but it is what it is. It's productive when everything works right and you follow the prescribed methods, but dare you step out of line and you will be wishing for carpet bombs again. While I appreciate they moved to Open-Source I also recognize that they were forced into this path. Their imperialism failed but their desired Imperialist culture is alive and well. They just have to play nice now. Peace through force as the reason.
I love IDEs when they just work, they drive me insane when I have to dig in and see what the hell they are doing with what seems like a simple issue. I think you NEED IDE's when you have certain Environments like complex Java coding and complex Microsoft anything it seems. Most Microsoft Developers I know are not ignorant of command line development, but would rather die than consider it an option. But they put the time into the Ecosystem where as I do not. Same for Eclipse and other IDE's built around complex environments. My recent jump into VS Code was positive, but about two years ago when I first tested it, I hated it. They continue to improve though. The ESPxx programing went quite well, but not perfect. I struggled when I tried to load the ESP IDF in VS Code. It did not just work, in fact I abandoned it and went with IDF as a separate install and Arduino libraries for VS Code. Pluses and minuses for both and if I worked harder I probably could have got it to work, but instead I was dreaming of carpet bombs and that it was not worth my time. `,~) I feel your pain on IDE's it's a Love\Hate relationship. John Vaughters On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 9:31:06 AM EDT, Pete Soper via TriEmbed <[email protected]> wrote: The following is not meant to be criticism of VS Code or Particle or Microsoft, just information about their tool chain in its current state and the corner cases I seem to be unlucky enough to flush out. Poking around docs and I can't seem to find the answer to this question: How to disable the VS Code editor and tell it I'm using an external editor? I realize VS Code is a code editor and this question may be another in a long line of benchmarks for heresy. I don't seem to be able to avoid heresy. This feature is straight forward with the Arduino IDE and I'm hoping it's present in VS Code to help me escape from the hopeless confused state Code (or Particle Workbench?) gets into with mutated files. I'm seeing a state where it decides I shouldn't really be using vim and so I can't edit the source from inside Code or outside and have it reflected sanely in the next build. If I could just find the right button in files/prefs/settings/Text Editor or the right json entry or something. But my deeper issue is that even "clean" operations with Particle workbench don't keep Code from seeing the wrong source files in some cases. The fact that it doesn't see a clear dependency between .ino and generated .cpp file (i.e. mutating the former should force recreation of the latter. And how is it possible a clean doesn't remove the .cpp??? D U H) All this tells me I need Maxwell's silver hammer. So far I've tried particle clean local, manual deletion of the .cpp, reset intellisense database, and reset editor history. Some combination of these has rescued me but what I really need is a way to say "I'll handle the source mutations myself" so I can more easily edit a bunch of files at once and just use Code for the build and debug sessions for where I'm at with this stuff. Can you tell I still haven't adapted to graphical interfaces? But I will get my mind right with VS Code, I'm just in a hurry at the moment. Also, if there is anybody on the list with experience using the Particle JTAG debugger with an Argon using Particle Workbench I'd love to get some of your consulting time for a faster bootstrap and am happy to pay for it. Thanks, Pete PS This is what it is: my opinion. I love VS Code and don't despise or hate Microsoft anymore. That started when the kid named Bill was kissing MITS' ass and moving down the street from them while gloating about his shitty BASIC implementation and then making his customers his unwitting alpha and beta testers for decades and duping and screwing this and that biz partner. I used to have visions of latter day incendiary barrel bombs dropping on Redmond after getting the campus evacuated to burn all the source code and stop the torture of Windows users. But their attempt to embrace and extend open source is going to enable any hidden imperialist plans to find the same sort of fate as US biz _____ enjoyed with their attempt at a conquest of China. I wonder if Paul or somebody else wrote that BASIC? I don't know but don't really care that much. 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