I didn't log the conversations, and John's web page gives me a timeout when I attempt to view it. However, I saw all of what went on in the trilug channel and a good bit of what went on in the debian channel. Here then (from memory, which admittedly may be deficient) is my recollection:
- Lavigne indicated that he'd asked a technical question in #debian and that nobody would help him. When he questioned their competence (I believe the quote was they wouldn't know their butt from a hole in the ground), he was banned. - Magnus was curious if this was a standard practice and decided he wanted to go see if he could reproduce the behavior. Aware that there was a potential for getting banned he commented that at least he was on an independent server so if he got banned he would be the only one affected. He and a number of other #trilug regulars went over to #debian to see what fun might be in the offing. - Shortly after Magnus asked his question in #debian, I joined, just to see if there was any fun to be had. Most of the fun going on there was apparently #debian members playing with their eggdrop bot. Overall it was pretty lame. - It took Magnus a while to get a response, but when he did, someone actually tried to answer his question. - Ian had a momentary lapse of good judgement and decided to troll the channel on the merits of OSX, saying that it was better than Debian. - Ian then made a comment about the immaturity of the channel members playing with their bot. I followed it up (in a similar lapse of judgement) questioning their general manhood. Note that I run off an rr.com account, so like Magnus it makes no sense to ban moya on my account. - Magnus and his helper in #debian continued their technical discussion. So far as I recall, his only troll-caliber comment was at the beginning of the whole affair when he tried to accellerate the help process by commenting that he got better help in #fedora. - Presently a number of #trilug regulars on the moya connection got bored and /part'd #debian. - moya was banned from #debian, directly, Ian says, because of his comments in-channel. - Magnus and his helper continued their discussion, and I continued to throw out minor trolls (e.g., "If Red Hat is Linux for the masses then Debian is Linux for the elitists"). - Jermey attempted to resolve the situation in #debian since some people in #trilug were understandably upset over moya being banned. I don't know what on in private conversation, but what I saw was the op not realizing that moya was a multi-users system and Jeremy incredulous that anyone would site-ban. My own observation (having once been an op) is that one should ban *!<username>@hostname rather than [EMAIL PROTECTED], but the latter ban was the type set. - I get a little fuzzy on the #trilug events at this point but my guess is John took Magnus to task in #trilug or on the list for getting moya banned in #debian. Magnus' response was to graphically insult John in-channel. - Magnus left #debian with his answer and an apology from one of the #debian channel members for the general behavior in channel. - Shortly after he left, some of the #debian members started grousing about who set a site ban on moya and why they would ban a group rather than just one individual. - I left #debian and returned to the #trilug firestorm. Feel free to correct the cronology above based on the logs, but that's my recollection. It wasn't as malefactory as John suggested in his initial email, but then, subsequent #trilug discussion indicated that Magnus and John don't exactly care for each other :) Overall, I think after the past week's ego contests and general contention that maybe we all need to use a little more restraint, myself included. To quote Tanner at the end of it, "To think after the way this week started that I would be the voice of reason." William (shal) who regrets having trolled #debian On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Roberto J. Dohnert wrote: > The way I see it you both conspired to start a ruckus, you did. So you > both are responsible, Chris and Ian. > > davis wrote: > > >On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 11:35:35PM -0500, Ian Meyer wrote: > > > > > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>Hash: SHA1 > >> > >>I think he is innocent as far as all he did was suggest that I go over > >>there. He asked a question, and gave them a hard time as his question > >>scrolled out of the window, and got an answer. > >> > >> > > > >You are still avoiding the point. Never the less, I will let the logs > >show the last word. The one positive thing about the log is it shows > >Jeremyp politely getting the ban dropped. Kudos to him. > > > >FWIW, I got a kick out of this line: > ><bucky> jeremyp, he acts like a deliverance banjo boy > > > >The log is here with highlights for your viewing pleasure: > >http://www.skink.net/~davis/temp/debian.html > > > > > > > -- TriLUG mailing list : http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/ TriLUG PGP Keyring : http://trilug.org/~chrish/trilug.asc
