I agree with Mark on many points. December this year makes 9 years for me in IT and I don't have any certifications, much less a college degree. Have I been lucky, or hired by educated HR depts? I dunno. I don't care at this point. I currently admin Microsoft ADS with WinXP clients and Linux web servers and Linux based firewalls. ... and I KNOW I know less than most people on this list when it comes to Linux! :) I also manage a digital fax server, document management server, multiple database servers (MSSQL, MSDE, mysql), Exchange (no laughing LOL) and quite a large amount of backups due to the nature of our business (tied to the FDA and all).
In 1997, the first company I worked for was a Microsoft ATEC, so I got to sit in on the NT 4 MCSE courses... I didn't get much out of it and refused to take the tests. I have looked into RHCE in the last year+ or so, even bought a book... but I think that might be as far as I take it unless I have an employer who wants to put me through the paces and pay for it for me. Speaking of, gotta decide if I'm gonna ask my $boss to next LUG meeting! have a great evening folks, David McD On 8/26/05, Mark Freeze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My take on this, and what I think the original post was asking between > the lines is this: "Is it easier to get a job with a RHCE or with > LPI?" The answer to me is the same as the older question of "Why do I > need a degree if I have been working in $industry for 10 years?" If > someone is going to hire you just because you are a RCHE then they > must not know what they doing themselves. On the other hand, if you > have tons of experience but no RCHE I feel you should be interviewed > honestly, based on your experience. I once knew a personnel manager > that told me that they wouldn't even consider an applicant that didn't > have a MCSE. When I asked them what an MCSE was... Surprise! They > had no idea. They told me that it meant that the applicant 'knew a lot > about computers.' > > Now before I get flamed on this let me explain my point. I know that > everyone in this group is VERY technically minded, and some of you are > in positions to hire people. But I would almost guarantee you that if > you gathered all of Raleigh's HR people from non-technical companies > together only about 2% would have ever heard of a RCHE, and then 1% of > that 2% might know what it means. > > With that being said I think that the best answer I could give to this > question is this: It depends on where you are trying to get a job, > and who is doing the hiring. If you are applying to a company that is > using Red Hat, or has a very technical-based HR department then a RCHE > with some experience is a huge step up from other applicants. If you > are applying at $large_co with a standard HR department you might > could skip the $3000 course and just tell them you have a ABCD > certification from the First Internet College of Linuxtry. They > probably wouldn't know the difference. The question then changes to > "What certification will actually help me do my job?" And we all know > the answer to that one. > > I know probably 98% less Linux than most of you on this list and > before I posted this reply I asked myself how many of the people on > this list who have provided me with dead-on accurate answers to my > questions and consistently give brilliant advice to others have an > RCHE or LPI certification. I could be mistaken but I'd probably guess > less than 30%. > > Regards, > Mark. > -- > TriLUG mailing list : http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug > TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ > TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/ > TriLUG PGP Keyring : http://trilug.org/~chrish/trilug.asc > -- TriLUG mailing list : http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug TriLUG Organizational FAQ : http://trilug.org/faq/ TriLUG Member Services FAQ : http://members.trilug.org/services_faq/ TriLUG PGP Keyring : http://trilug.org/~chrish/trilug.asc
