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Re: Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 (Pete McLaughlin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:51:43 +0100 > From: Leo Faulhaber <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 2010/1/2 <[email protected]> > >> Send Trom mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Trom and Axiom 31 (Mickel) >> 2. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Pete McLaughlin) >> 3. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Mickel) >> 4. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Leo) > > > Hi to everyone > > It's the first time that I am posting here so I am not sure if I do it > right. > > I listened several times to the tape "The Philosophy of TROM" and I > think > that I understood it quite well although it's quite hard to confront. > > Now here's my conclusions: > > Good or bad is an opinion if it has to do with morals. Morals regulate > games, it is the rules how to play a specific game. > > Good or bad is not an opinion if it has to do with ethics. Ethics > stands > above games and regulates whether or not or how tough one should > play games > or a specific game. > > Leo > > > > > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 00:45:47 -0000 >> From: "Mickel" <[email protected]> >> Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 >> To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <113913531b1f413da579dc9e14552...@everest> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010. >> >> I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today, >> and it's >> been hard work I can tell you. >> >> I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first >> read it >> many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for myself. >> >> By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am >> gradually >> getting it so my persistence is worthwhile. >> >> Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still >> far from >> level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages. >> >> Best >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:19:28 -0800 >> From: "Pete McLaughlin" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 >> To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <a09ed57097c549eb9c931541af15b...@toughboo05d7e2> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; >> reply-type=original >> >> HI Mickel >> >> Axiom 31. Goodness and badness, beautifulness and ugliness are alike >> considerations and have no other basis than opinion. >> >> >> >> Reducing axiom 31 to minimum it is "considerations are >> cosniderations." >> What part of the Philosophy of Trom leclture did you feel >> connected with >> this axiom? >> >> >> >> Sincerely >> >> >> >> Pete >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mickel" <[email protected]> >> To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:45 PM >> Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 >> >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010. >>> >>> I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today, >>> and >> it's >>> been hard work I can tell you. >>> >>> I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first >>> read it >>> many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for >>> myself. >>> >>> By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am >>> gradually >>> getting it so my persistence is worthwhile. >>> >>> Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still >>> far from >>> level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages. >>> >>> Best >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:13:17 -0000 >> From: "Mickel" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 >> To: "Pete McLaughlin" <[email protected]>, "The >> Resolution of >> Mind list" <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <101ed55adcc64b29aee91f6880c97...@everest> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hi Pete >> There is something not right here in what Dennis is saying, either >> I have a >> huge MU here or He is not explaining what he means correctly. >> >> He seems to leave out our cultural agreements in his explanation, >> I can see >> what Dennis means from one angle but looking into my mind I can >> see that >> Goodness and Badness are considerations, I have particular >> opinions on what >> is good or bad which differ from other peoples considerations or >> opinions. >> >> It is true that if you tried to run a society in an Hedonistic way >> it would >> eventually collapse but our societies have rules and regulations >> on which >> the majority Agree. >> >> There are endless examples I can think up in which certain >> actions, beliefs >> and so on are right or Good in one country or amongst certain >> people that >> are totally wrong from another group of people viewpoints. >> >> Also, I look at it this way, within the mind we have words, >> symbols, points >> of agreement and so on, step outside the mind and Life IS! just as >> it is, a >> Being has now moved beyond cause and effect, beyond any questions or >> needing >> any answers, the polarities have merged. >> Best >> Mike >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pete McLaughlin" <[email protected]> >> To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 >> >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> HI Mickel >>> >>> Axiom 31. Goodness and badness, beautifulness and ugliness are alike >>> considerations and have no other basis than opinion. >>> >>> >>> >>> Reducing axiom 31 to minimum it is "considerations are >>> cosniderations." >>> What part of the Philosophy of Trom leclture did you feel >>> connected with >>> this axiom? >>> >>> >>> >>> Sincerely >>> >>> >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mickel" <[email protected]> >>> To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:45 PM >>> Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 >>> >>> >>>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>> ************ >>>> Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010. >>>> >>>> I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" >>>> today, and >>>> it's >>>> been hard work I can tell you. >>>> >>>> I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first >>>> read it >>>> many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for >>>> myself. >>>> >>>> By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am >>>> gradually >>>> getting it so my persistence is worthwhile. >>>> >>>> Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still >>>> far from >>>> level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Trom mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2596 - Release Date: >> 01/01/10 >> 09:20:00 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> End of Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 >> *********************************** >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/ > 20100102/3201027e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:18:18 -0800 > From: "Pete McLaughlin" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > HI Leo > Dennis Stephens fails to mention that Axiom 31 is dependent on the > point of > view of the being taking the action. From the point of view of a > human at > the emotional and physical level of the expanded tone scale actions > can be > judged as having good or bad results. This is the condition that > exists > from tone 22 Games on down on the tone scale. > Above the level of the tone scale called Games we recognize that > we are > each different viewpoints of the same being and the things we do to > each > other are by mutual agreement and done to explore the effects the > action > will cause. As such there is no good or bad. > > Above level 22 Games is like an old man playing chess with > himself. There > is no winner and no loser. > > Therefore above the level of 22 games on the extended tone scale > Axiom 31 is > correct as written and below level 22 Games Dennis is correct. > > Keep on TROMing > > pete > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:trom- > [email protected]]on > Behalf Of Leo Faulhaber > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 > > 2010/1/2 < [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Trom and Axiom 31 (Mickel) > 2. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Pete McLaughlin) > 3. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Mickel) > 4. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Leo) > Hi to everyone > It's the first time that I am posting here so I am not sure if I do it > right. > I listened several times to the tape "The Philosophy of TROM" and I > think > that I understood it quite well although it's quite hard to confront. > Now here's my conclusions: > Good or bad is an opinion if it has to do with morals. Morals regulate > games, it is the rules how to play a specific game. > Good or bad is not an opinion if it has to do with ethics. Ethics > stands > above games and regulates whether or not or how tough one should > play games > or a specific game. > Leo > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 00:45:47 -0000 > From: "Mickel" < [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" < [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <113913531b1f413da579dc9e14552...@everest> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010. > > I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today, > and it's > been hard work I can tell you. > > I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first > read it > many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for myself. > > By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am > gradually > getting it so my persistence is worthwhile. > > Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still far > from > level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages. > > Best > Mike > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:19:28 -0800 > From: "Pete McLaughlin" < [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" < [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <a09ed57097c549eb9c931541af15b...@toughboo05d7e2> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > HI Mickel > > Axiom 31. Goodness and badness, beautifulness and ugliness are alike > considerations and have no other basis than opinion. > > > > Reducing axiom 31 to minimum it is "considerations are > cosniderations." > What part of the Philosophy of Trom leclture did you feel connected > with > this axiom? > > > > Sincerely > > > > Pete > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mickel" < [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" < [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:45 PM > Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 > > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> >> ************ >> Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010. >> >> I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today, >> and it's >> been hard work I can tell you. >> >> I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first >> read it >> many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for myself. >> >> By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am >> gradually >> getting it so my persistence is worthwhile. >> >> Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still >> far from >> level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages. >> >> Best >> Mike >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:13:17 -0000 > From: "Mickel" < [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 > To: "Pete McLaughlin" < [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> >, "The Resolution of > Mind list" < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <101ed55adcc64b29aee91f6880c97...@everest> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Pete > There is something not right here in what Dennis is saying, either > I have a > huge MU here or He is not explaining what he means correctly. > > He seems to leave out our cultural agreements in his explanation, I > can see > what Dennis means from one angle but looking into my mind I can see > that > Goodness and Badness are considerations, I have particular opinions > on what > is good or bad which differ from other peoples considerations or > opinions. > > It is true that if you tried to run a society in an Hedonistic way > it would > eventually collapse but our societies have rules and regulations on > which > the majority Agree. > > There are endless examples I can think up in which certain actions, > beliefs > and so on are right or Good in one country or amongst certain > people that > are totally wrong from another group of people viewpoints. > > Also, I look at it this way, within the mind we have words, > symbols, points > of agreement and so on, step outside the mind and Life IS! just as > it is, a > Being has now moved beyond cause and effect, beyond any questions > or needing > any answers, the polarities have merged. > Best > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete McLaughlin" < [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> >> > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" < [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:19 AM > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 > > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> >> ************ >> HI Mickel >> >> Axiom 31. Goodness and badness, beautifulness and ugliness are alike >> considerations and have no other basis than opinion. >> >> >> >> Reducing axiom 31 to minimum it is "considerations are >> cosniderations." >> What part of the Philosophy of Trom leclture did you feel >> connected with >> this axiom? >> >> >> >> Sincerely >> >> >> >> Pete >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mickel" < [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > >> To: "The Resolution of Mind list" < [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > >> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:45 PM >> Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 >> >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> >>> ************ >>> Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010. >>> >>> I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today, >>> and >>> it's >>> been hard work I can tell you. >>> >>> I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first >>> read it >>> many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for >>> myself. >>> >>> By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am >>> gradually >>> getting it so my persistence is worthwhile. >>> >>> Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still >>> far from >>> level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages. >>> >>> Best >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2596 - Release Date: > 01/01/10 > 09:20:00 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 > *********************************** > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/ > 20100102/12bea229/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 2 > *********************************** _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
