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Thank you for expanding my viewpoint re good and bad and the expanded tonescale! Leo Faulhaber 2010/1/2 <[email protected]> > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 (Mickel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:10:59 -0000 > From: "Mickel" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 > To: <[email protected]>, "The Resolution of Mind list" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <8d85d0fdbc004bc8951b2b6d74f4e...@everest> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thanks Pete, I have a much better understanding now, also, Thanks Leo, I > knew I had a non understanding in here somewhere and it was to do with > Ethics as LRH presented them in Scientology as mentioned on the tape by > Dennis. > > I couldn't see it myself but I have to admit I have no idea what ethics > means and I probably have it confused with morals. > > Funny, but my mind does not seem to work that way, I have no idea why > people need to put that sort of thing in their minds, I know what is right > and wrong, I don't need to look at a set of rules to tell me that. > > Anyway, I will look those words up and listen to the tape again later. > Thanks for the help. > best > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pete McLaughlin > To: The Resolution of Mind list > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 7:18 PM > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 > > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > HI Leo > > Dennis Stephens fails to mention that Axiom 31 is dependent on the point > of view of the being taking the action. From the point of view of a human > at the emotional and physical level of the expanded tone scale actions can > be judged as having good or bad results. This is the condition that exists > from tone 22 Games on down on the tone scale. > > Above the level of the tone scale called Games we recognize that we are > each different viewpoints of the same being and the things we do to each > other are by mutual agreement and done to explore the effects the action > will cause. As such there is no good or bad. > > > > Above level 22 Games is like an old man playing chess with himself. There > is no winner and no loser. > > > > Therefore above the level of 22 games on the extended tone scale Axiom 31 > is correct as written and below level 22 Games Dennis is correct. > > > > Keep on TROMing > > > > pete > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on > Behalf Of Leo Faulhaber > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 > > > > 2010/1/2 <[email protected]> > > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Trom and Axiom 31 (Mickel) > 2. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Pete McLaughlin) > 3. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Mickel) > 4. Re: Trom and Axiom 31 (Leo) > > Hi to everyone > > It's the first time that I am posting here so I am not sure if I do it > right. > > I listened several times to the tape "The Philosophy of TROM" and I think > that I understood it quite well although it's quite hard to confront. > > Now here's my conclusions: > > Good or bad is an opinion if it has to do with morals. Morals regulate > games, it is the rules how to play a specific game. > > Good or bad is not an opinion if it has to do with ethics. Ethics stands > above games and regulates whether or not or how tough one should play games > or a specific game. > > Leo > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 00:45:47 -0000 > From: "Mickel" <[email protected]> > Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <113913531b1f413da579dc9e14552...@everest> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010. > > I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today, and it's > been hard work I can tell you. > > I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first read it > many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for myself. > > By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am > gradually > getting it so my persistence is worthwhile. > > Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still far from > level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages. > > Best > Mike > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:19:28 -0800 > From: "Pete McLaughlin" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <a09ed57097c549eb9c931541af15b...@toughboo05d7e2> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > HI Mickel > > Axiom 31. Goodness and badness, beautifulness and ugliness are alike > considerations and have no other basis than opinion. > > > > Reducing axiom 31 to minimum it is "considerations are cosniderations." > What part of the Philosophy of Trom leclture did you feel connected with > this axiom? > > > > Sincerely > > > > Pete > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mickel" <[email protected]> > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:45 PM > Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 > > > > ************* > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > ************ > > Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010. > > > > I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today, and > it's > > been hard work I can tell you. > > > > I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first read it > > many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for myself. > > > > By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am > > gradually > > getting it so my persistence is worthwhile. > > > > Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still far from > > level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages. > > > > Best > > Mike > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trom mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:13:17 -0000 > From: "Mickel" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 > To: "Pete McLaughlin" <[email protected]>, "The Resolution of > Mind list" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <101ed55adcc64b29aee91f6880c97...@everest> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Pete > There is something not right here in what Dennis is saying, either I have > a > huge MU here or He is not explaining what he means correctly. > > He seems to leave out our cultural agreements in his explanation, I can > see > what Dennis means from one angle but looking into my mind I can see that > Goodness and Badness are considerations, I have particular opinions on > what > is good or bad which differ from other peoples considerations or opinions. > > It is true that if you tried to run a society in an Hedonistic way it > would > eventually collapse but our societies have rules and regulations on which > the majority Agree. > > There are endless examples I can think up in which certain actions, > beliefs > and so on are right or Good in one country or amongst certain people that > are totally wrong from another group of people viewpoints. > > Also, I look at it this way, within the mind we have words, symbols, > points > of agreement and so on, step outside the mind and Life IS! just as it is, > a > Being has now moved beyond cause and effect, beyond any questions or > needing > any answers, the polarities have merged. > Best > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete McLaughlin" <[email protected]> > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:19 AM > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 > > > > ************* > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > ************ > > HI Mickel > > > > Axiom 31. Goodness and badness, beautifulness and ugliness are alike > > considerations and have no other basis than opinion. > > > > > > > > Reducing axiom 31 to minimum it is "considerations are cosniderations." > > What part of the Philosophy of Trom leclture did you feel connected with > > this axiom? > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mickel" <[email protected]> > > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:45 PM > > Subject: [TROM1] Trom and Axiom 31 > > > > > >> ************* > >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > >> ************ > >> Hi to Everyone and Hope you all have a good year in 2010. > >> > >> I have been listening to the talk "The Philosophy of Trom" today, and > >> it's > >> been hard work I can tell you. > >> > >> I think I had very little understanding of Axiom 31 when I first read > it > >> many years ago or probably I never worked it out properly for myself. > >> > >> By listening to this part of the lecture over and over again I am > >> gradually > >> getting it so my persistence is worthwhile. > >> > >> Some very interesting data in that talk and although I am still far > from > >> level 5 I can start to understand a bit about these goal packages. > >> > >> Best > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Trom mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trom mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2596 - Release Date: > 01/01/10 > 09:20:00 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 > *********************************** > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release Date: > 01/02/10 08:22:00 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20100102/08ec082f/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 66, Issue 3 > *********************************** >
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