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Hiya,
I just wanted to add something to the "to know" discussion. Personally, I've
found that "to experience" is a good definition for 'to know'. I find that it
is a very basic and (possibly) all-encompassing definition, particularly if "to
know" doesn't always make immediate sense in some context.
To "know" something is to "experience" it (whether through sensory perception,
a gut feeling, logical conclusion, a spiritual kind of perception, or
otherwise). And by 'experience' I don't mean "a mental image picture", a scene
or any kind of recording of the past - you may "experience" a mental image
picture or scene, but the scene or mental image picture itself is not the
"experience" or the experiencing. By 'to experience' I mean something you, as
an awareness of awareness unit (in Scientologese), are or become aware of. If
it enters your awareness, if you are aware of it, you "know" it, or you are
'knowing' it. That can be a sensation, a thought, a postulate you just made, it
can be anything. If you experience it, you know it.
To touch the hot stove to see what happens and whether it really is as hot as
they say; to take off your shoes and socks and walk barefoot through grass; to
read a novel for the excitement, the mystery and the thrill; to annoy the cat
repeatedly to see what happens and how far you can go; to agree to ride the
roller coaster with the scary looking loops; to apparently waste away a small
fortune on a Ferrari just to be able to drive it every day; to forget something
just to remember it later; all this we do for the experience, all this we do to
"know". It's what we do in this universe, in this (or any) existence - "know".
It only makes sense that Denis says the "to know" package is the granddaddy of
them all; because it seems everything else (junior packages) is just some way
of knowing (experiencing): to sex (to experience/know sexual sensations); to
eat (to experience/know a specific sensation through using some physical food
source along with your mouth, teeth, tongue, taste buds, stomach and digestive
system); all these belong to "to know".
"To know" may be a better use than "to experience", but thinking of "to know"
in those terms ("to experience") may help in gaining a better overall grasp of
"to know".
Sorry for the wordy response. I just felt like jumping in and adding my two
cents.
Harry
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> It seems to me that the word "know" has different meanings and the
> meaning
> used in TROM is very often a very particular one. Here it means "getting
> the
> other guy to accept my PD postulate".
>
> One could also know something by being able to access data about it in
> one's
> mind.
>
> Or one could know something by pervading it fully, adopting its (or his
> or
> her) viewpoint and sharing what it knows already.
>
> And there are other methods of knowing too.
>
> In TROM when one "knows" something one has, to a degree, accepted the
> other
> guy's PD postulate. It is therefore an Effect position. Knowing by
> pervading
> is a Cause position, and it is an act where one makes no attempt at all
> to
> get the other guy to accept any data. One is simply adopting, for a
> moment
> or two, the other's position and viewpoint and knowing what it knows; or
> even things about it that it does not knowingly know.
>
> These are all things to play with. Also one should not flip meanings in
> mid
> process.
>
> Leo
>
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