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John Send you emails to the above address an everyone on the list will see your questions. Also you can go to this web page http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/ and look through the old posts to see what we have been talking about in the past. Sincerely Pete -----Original Message----- From: John Boice [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: TROM Dear Pete. Thank you. I just listened to tape "02 dissociation.mp3" where Dennis mentions that you can differentiate and find similarities of people to objects too. So I guess it is a moot point since the basic purpose is being applied. Also, I've had difficulty using the enclosed list and/or emails you talk about. I'll try some more but I haven't had much luck personally contacting anybody. When you get time could you run down the exact procedure for taking advantage of this service? JB ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete McLaughlin <[email protected]> To: John Boice <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 18:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: TROM Hi John Nice to hear from you. You can compare people in your past scenes with anyone on the planet now. At the minimum you can compare them to yourself. How were they different from you now and how were they similar to you now. "Changes" for self auditing correspond to meter reads in scientology auditing or changes in tone or comm lag in Dianetic auditing. If you get a body reaction from thinking about a subject or if thinking about a situation or person brings up emotional responses then these are changes. It might be simpler to consider that if you ask an auditing question do you bring up a corresponding incident or get nothing. With a meter a "nothing" reaction might actually cause a meter to read but since we are not using a meter go with responses that cause perceptible change. As I get further on with level 5 I am finding that all day long I am bombarded with news items, movie plots, family situations etc. that cause emotional and efforting responses. All of these are charged up games that I need to timebreak. All of the people i.e. family members, teachers, students from my childhood can have emotional or effort charges on them that indicate I need to time break them. Have you ever watched a fight scene in a movie and felt yourself moving your hands, arms and body to deliver a blow or block one? That is an efforting response to the scene pictured. You are correct that as you get more experience looking for things to run with TROM you will find that you are being pushed and shoved by your minds content every minute of the day. The goal is to recognize what already going on and timebreak it one item at a time to they all stop being restimulated and leave you alone. Do continue asking questions and do post them to the TROM list as there are many experienced people on the list who live to relate their experiences if asked. Also read through the archive of old emails. You will find many helpful emails there. Sincerely, -----Original Message----- From: John Boice [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 9:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: TROM Dear Pete. When Dennis says to eventually use people in past scenes in level 2 rather than objects, how can I differentiate or find similarities in present time people if I'm alone? Also, I don't quite understand "changes" and so am operating on the basis that when something seems to be "ho-hum" I'm going to assume it's flat or null. Besides, sometimes there might not be any change or reaction. So, with that I'm just going to continue the best I can assuming the more I do it the better I will understand and apply. That should accomplish it since I feel the more I do the exercises plus understanding the necessity of much RI, I'll eventually understand what's going on and succeed thusly. I have a feeling so far that Dennis has laid it out most successfully. The only reason I'm trying to get in comm with other Tromers is to compare notes or get a better reality from someone elses viewpoint who is doing it. I would hope it's growing group-wise. The more knowledge, the more reality, and the more likely of success. I completed the lower levels and the Power processes of Scientology back in the 70s so that should be helpful in that dealing with the mind isn't particularly virgin territory with me. And as far as when each level is complete, I'm going to operate on the basis that over-run is better than under-run; and also be willing to go back level-wise as far as necessary if I get into any major seemingly unresolvable difficulties. Anyway, any help you could give me plus any names of Tromers would be helpful. I intend to complete this magnificent breakthrough Dennis made from Hubbards failure. His theory is impeccable and itself enlightening since it's logically right on the money, and from his many lectures, he sounds honest, and since I've always thought I was a good judge of character, I'm enroute to the conclusion of level 5 and the beginning of Nirvana. After Dennises history of Dianetics and Scientology, to say that he couldn't find level six and then added that all of Rons levels up the bridge were flat, I was indeed sold! Thanks, JB ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete McLaughlin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Ant Phillips <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: TROM Hi John What is your question? Keep on TROMing -----Original Message----- From: Ant Phillips [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 11:16 PM To: John Boice Cc: Pete McLaughlin Subject: Re: TROM At 19:39 22-10-2010, John Boice wrote: >Is there anybody I can talk to about TROM? John Boice Dear John, I am referring you (by sending him a copy of this) to the man who runs the Internet list concerning TROM. All best wishes, Ant _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
