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On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Aarre Peltomaa <peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Alexander Graf <i...@alexander-graf.de>wrote:
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>> Thank you Aarre,
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>> yes, the student hat is very good. i started it last year and the next
>> thing on the checklist is the first lecture where he talks about different
>> flying technologies etc.
>> But fortunately I never was involved in the church. The RonsOrgs only
>> consist of nice people with good intentions. There is one in Munich and one
>> in Frankfurt a. Main founded by Capt. Bill. In Switzerland lead by Max and
>> Erica Hauri who are great people who always treated me kindly.
>> Four times i attended the camp in les verrieres for hard tr and study
>> tech.
>>
>> what i find strange is that there are OTs that still smoke. maybe they
>> have abilities to control the toxins or have the consideration that the body
>> isnt that important... i dont know :-)
>>
> In my humble opinion, I think they are up to 'fighting' their
bodies as an enemy. That isn't a complementary postulate. Just
my 'gut' feeling and opinion.
> I think they have issues, need a full glass of red wine
> with vitamin B1 chaser, and the next day they need to do TROM. There's
> one OT 8, Class 8 at the Toronto org in Canada who has been senior C/S for
> years now; I tried to be friendly towards her in my naive, slightly
> obseqious (look that up in the dictionary !) way . Her name is Louise
> Erison. She seemed resentful, and not all all what I thought and OT 8
> should act like. Pardon, me, but I thought an OT 8 would be compassionate,
> empathetic, willing to pan-determinadly see my viewpoint, and be at
> least enthusiastic (4.0) on the tone scale !! She was resentful, and had a
> ser- fac'y 'holier than thou' attitude. This is extremely contrary on LRH's
> policy letter about clears needing to show a good appearance of what
> clear is. Forgive me, but I forgot the PL's exact name (was it called 'The
> state of clear'?). This is extremely out-pr not only for the state of
> clear, but even more so for the state of OT. My only conclusion was
> that she was sitting on massive witholds of long duration that she
> couldn't talk about; in other words, what's called a 'missed withold
> phenomenom'. Maybe she didn't get out of the level what she was
> promised to get; I wouldn't be surprised at all. For fear that you may
> state that I'm nattering also, which I may be, she is not a friendly
> buddy at all ! Look up perfunctory in the dictionary, and you'll know what
> I mean. I love cheerful, warm people in the tone of cheerfulness (3.5)
> or above; that makes my world turn. That 'OT 8' isn't it !!
>
> and yes, i experienced OTs with compulsions. compulsive talker. Does he
>> need to get his level 0 (communications release)
>> flat ? ! (lol !) [?]
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>> but as i said, all nice trustworthy people. much different than
>> churchies. Great !
>>
>> i have a hard time on level 2 but every session is a progress. i dont fall
>> back, no win is ever lost. an hour RI then im okay. nothing can stop me to
>> go on. not even me :)) if i try i´ll kick my butt. just kidding... can
>> anyone tell me where i am? :-)
>> Your have me laughing, that's where your are ! Thank you so much for
>> giving me some extra levity. If we can laugh at our
>>
>> silliness, I think we are half way there !! Remember, this physical
>> universe is just one big delusion; the jokes on all of us, and
>>
>> we created the joke. [?]I'll attest to that! [?] Yes, I feel great !! [?]
>>
>
> i dont need my mind anymore. anyone wants to buy it? I don't know if I
>> have the money to buy it; we have stores in Canada
>> called 'Dollarama'; maybe you could sell it there for $ 1.50. Some of
>> the prices have gone up !
>>
>> I'm trying to buy a life; do you know where I could buy one? Dollarama
>> doesn't have them, not even for $1.75 ! Damn ! [?]
>>
>
> You're ok, Alex.
>> you guys already feel like family!
>>
>> alex
>>
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>> 2011/10/23 Aarre Peltomaa <peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com>
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>>> Hi Alex, Oct. 22/'11 Aarre
>>>
>>> Of course, only the pluspoints (rightnesses), and not the outpoints
>>> (wrongnesses) will do us any good.
>>>
>>> A short list per my opinion:
>>>
>>> Pluspoints;
>>>
>>> - study tech really works excellently. I did the Student Hat course, and
>>> had excellent results. I use the tech everyday. Includes the
>>> tech for clearing up the meanings of words; excellent technology. No
>>> one else has this apparently.
>>> - introduced the subject and possibility of being spiritual beings to
>>> those who didn't have a clue, like I didn't in 1974, when I first was
>>> contacted in Washington, D.C. to take the communication course. It was an
>>> entrance point for me, so should be acknowledged heavily for it's first
>>> illumination of spirituality to me, and others.
>>> - admin tech. much sensible data.
>>> - ethics conditions. invaluable and needed by everyone.
>>> - data evaluation course. excellent tech on finding the 'why' (the
>>> reason for something).
>>> - objectives processes. like CCH's and others. really help to extrovert
>>> a being's viewpoint to outwards.
>>> - Purification Rundown (program). really worked to get toxins and
>>> radiation out of my body, and free up my attention.
>>> - Communication Formula and Cycle. allows sane communications between
>>> beings. I've never seen it stated so well anywhere else.
>>> - an introduction to the mind with 'Dianetics, the Modern Science of
>>> Mental Health', which opened the mind up for millions; although
>>> TROM is far more simple and easy to run, and more far-reaching in
>>> results.
>>>
>>> etc. etc.
>>>
>>> Outpoints;
>>>
>>> - OT 3 level is supposed to be so difficult, but Dennis says that it
>>> only applies to people who think that they have a 'haunted mind' with
>>> demons and implants in it. Dennis downplays the importance of implants, and
>>> has a few remedies for them in the tapes.
>>>
>>> - too much money; $300,000 to go spiritually free? OT VII's that I
>>> witnessed still have minds and aberrations. Anita Warren paid
>>> $100,000 to get her OT Eligibility, only to be put on endless Security
>>> Checks. She said enough, and left the church.
>>>
>>> - too much time talking to and kissing up to the ethics officer.
>>>
>>> - threats of being kicked out if one doesn't do it the Scientology way.
>>>
>>> - OSA ( The Office of Special Affairs ), of which I was a member from
>>> 1985 - 1988. It is now like a paranoid police organization, not
>>> not like an organization promoting spiritual freedom. One member called
>>> Joe, lied to me when he told me that I stole his harmonica when I was on
>>> staff there and living in the same room number 626 of the main building that
>>> he lived in. He's gone 'bleeping' nuts !
>>>
>>> - too much damn complexity of auditing tech. so many rundowns and
>>> correction lists, and lists to correct the correction lists ! Volumes and
>>> volumes of data. Dennis' manual is less than 200 pages long. Lafayette
>>> Ronald Hubbard once said that complexity is a symptom of non-confront. LRH
>>> didn't confront the simplicity and power of postulates in their raw form.
>>> They create everything
>>> in the physical universe, and any other universe. As Dennis said, he was
>>> close, but didn't make it. Dennis did make it ! Listen to Dennis' lectures
>>> on this.
>>>
>>> - got to go downtown, and be on time, instead of doing it in your own
>>> space. office buildings cost a lot of money to maintain, and we in TROM
>>> don't have any.
>>>
>>> - the technical bulletins and policy letters called 'Safeguarding
>>> Technology' and 'Keeping Scientology Working' are suppressive to the extent
>>> that they don't allow any further development by anyone other than LRH. He
>>> dropped his body in 1986, so he doesn't write any more bulletins. Can we
>>> assume that LRH was perfect and that his tech was perfect. No. People have
>>> been on NOTS
>>> (New Era Dianetics for OT's ) for years and years, just as Dennis
>>> stated. Wasting time handling implants, when you should be
>>> handling the postulates/goals that created the implants in the first
>>> place is mostly a waste of time. Very entertaining and interesting, but how
>>> wasteful of time and money.
>>>
>>> etc., etc.,
>>>
>>> Thanks, your friend,
>>> Aarre Peltomaa
>>> peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com
>>> (647) 202-7267
>>>
>>> - David Miscavage runs the church like a dictator. Freedom of expression
>>> isn't allowed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Alexander Graf
>>> <i...@alexander-graf.de>wrote:
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>>>> Hi Trommers,
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>>>> just a question thats on my mind: what is wrong about LRH-tech? not the
>>>> application by the church, just the tech.
>>>>
>>>> and, are there any other germans on this list besides leo?
>>>>
>>>> yours
>>>> alex
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