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Hei Alexander, from Aarre Nov. 20/'11
That's exactly how I feel ! Yes ! Aarre On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Alexander Graf <[email protected]>wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > This is exactly how i feel. i had fireworks at level 2. i lose charge > everyday even without session. i lose charge while watching "sanctuary" > online :-) > > charge is gone...what was it? i dont know. do i care?! not much. i also > feel the same about scientology auditing. very loud. > trom removes the legs of the table with charge on it without touching the > contents of the table. nice trick. > sometimes i ask myself if i regained abilities and im not sure. my whole > case is reduced. i still have the same set of problems but they dont feel > as life threatening as before. > > yesterday i had a thought: if i were the most powerful being and decided > to play and become serious and reduce my power to postulate... i'd > postulate first, that i will get out of everything no matter how bad my > condition is. like a rescue line :-) > in the worst scenario id be a dust particle with the intention to look for > solutions to everything. not the quick fix or a small improvement but the > whole way back. > > good luck! > alex > > > 2011/11/20 Aarre Peltomaa <[email protected]> > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> >> Hi Leon, from Aarre Nov. 19/'11 >> >> May I risk a possible answer? I haven't done too much level 4, but have >> worked on the 8 overwhelms. I'm not finished level 3, so I'm only >> speculating a possible explanation. To me TROM is so deep down basic, it >> deflates the 'tire' of charge (analogy) slowly, rather than with explosive >> case gone. TROM seems to deplete the whole case, each time it's run, >> rather than address individual incidents, of which there are millions or >> trillions on the whole time track anyway. It seems to be subdued, with no >> hugh fireworks. It just seems to be a slowly leaking 'tire', where the >> charge is leaving day after day, even when you didn't have a session. My >> sessions have not been very 'loud', compared to Scientology sessions. It >> seems that the further you are from early/prime cause, the more explosive, >> loud, and bombastic seems to be the case gain, because the fundamental >> postulates don't seem to be addressed in Scientology. Cause is very >> quiet, and effect is very loud. I believe that if one addressed the 'to >> know' postulate, that whole chunks and sections of case would vanish >> smoothly and quietly without your even knowing half about what left. One >> might say, 'what's gone?'. Something is changed drastically, but I don't >> know exactly what left? >> >> Randy (Slim), do you think this makes sense? >> >> Thanks, Aarre >> >> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Leo Swart <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> >>> I wish Dennis was still around so I could talk to him. There is one >>> issue I have with TROM that remains unresolved for me. Don't get me wrong - >>> I do love these materials and I can get it to work for me and I get the >>> gains out of it, all is OK on that score. But, still I have this nagging >>> feeling about it. >>> >>> You see a really thorough end penomena in running an incident or >>> "blowing it" or whatever you want to call it, let's say Dealing with a past >>> incident, would include: (a) full erasure of the charge locked up by the >>> incident, (b) full perception and realization of all of the significances >>> contained in and resulting from the incident, (c) the ability to fully >>> pervade the actual considered time and space in which the incident >>> occurred, and (d) a full recovery of all of the beingness, activity level >>> and reach that the person had prior to the incident. >>> >>> TROM achieves (a) pretty well. But what about the rest? I don't find >>> these here. >>> >>> Your comments and advice would be welcome. >>> >>> Leon >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Sent:* Sunday, 20 November 2011 1:00 AM >>> *Subject:* Trom Digest, Vol 88, Issue 27 >>> >>> Send Trom mailing list submissions to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Trom digest...." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 88, Issue 26 (Leo Faulhaber) >>> 2. exclusion lecture question (Colleen Peltomaa) >>> 3. Re: exclusion lecture question (xriz) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:14:23 +0100 >>> From: Leo Faulhaber <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 88, Issue 26 >>> Message-ID: >>> <cakmuwn90gotzxh_t4ko4-pus_dt2j6vpvu3md3pnkwo1jbi...@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> 1. Answer to "Exclusion" Lecture question (Leo Faulhaber) >>> >>> Hi Colleen >>> >>> Some physisists might try a whole life long to prove the existence of a >>> merely speculative sub atomic particle. >>> >>> Or one might try to prove that something works that in actual fact >>> doesn't. >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Leo Faulhaber >>> >>> >>> >>> 2011/11/18 <[email protected]> >>> >>> > Send Trom mailing list submissions to >>> > [email protected] >>> > >>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> > [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> > >>> > You can reach the person managing the list at >>> > [email protected] >>> > >>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." >>> > >>> > >>> > Today's Topics: >>> > >>> > 1. "Exclusion" Lecture question (Colleen Peltomaa) >>> > 2. Re: "Exclusion" Lecture question (xriz) >>> > 3. Re: "Exclusion" Lecture question (xriz) >>> > 4. Re: "Exclusion" Lecture question (xriz) >>> > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>> > Message: 1 >>> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:22:56 -0500 >>> > From: Colleen Peltomaa <[email protected]> >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >>> > Message-ID: >>> > <CAF4m2-0AR7h+oNfM-zmFS+kU2X1M6sD7WdM3WJp79VNSHL+ >>> [email protected] >>> > > >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> > >>> > In this tape lecture Dennis says that beings either run around trying >>> to >>> > know something that has not been brought into existence in this >>> universe to >>> > be known, or they run around trying to "not-is". >>> > >>> > I'm very very familiar with examples of "not-is", and I find I am >>> lacking >>> > some solid examples of the first part of Dennis' statement. Would >>> someone >>> > please help me out, thank you. >>> > >>> > colleen >>> > -------------- next part -------------- >>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> > URL: < >>> > >>> http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20111118/a41c9fe5/attachment-0001.html >>> > > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Message: 2 >>> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:30:42 +0100 >>> > From: "xriz" <[email protected]> >>> > To: "'The Resolution of Mind list'" <[email protected]> >>> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >>> > Message-ID: <003101cca620$2e16c430$8a444c90$@de> >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> > >>> > Where is my castle ? That`s how i should live. Still have not found it. >>> > Damn. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > LI >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Von: [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] >>> > Im >>> > Auftrag von Colleen Peltomaa >>> > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 17:23 >>> > An: [email protected] >>> > Betreff: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > In this tape lecture Dennis says that beings either run around trying >>> to >>> > know something that has not been brought into existence in this >>> universe to >>> > be known, or they run around trying to "not-is". >>> > >>> > I'm very very familiar with examples of "not-is", and I find I am >>> lacking >>> > some solid examples of the first part of Dennis' statement. Would >>> someone >>> > please help me out, thank you. >>> > >>> > colleen >>> > >>> > >>> > -------------- next part -------------- >>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> > URL: < >>> > >>> http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20111118/f826ad6b/attachment-0001.html >>> > > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Message: 3 >>> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:35:20 +0100 >>> > From: "xriz" <[email protected]> >>> > To: "'The Resolution of Mind list'" <[email protected]> >>> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >>> > Message-ID: <001e01cca620$d37cfd90$7a76f8b0$@de> >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> > >>> > Now that i begin thinking it astonishes me that is says: trying to >>> know. >>> > Because I actually do not lift a finger in order to DO something about >>> it. >>> > >>> > Well, that is what case is, isn`t it ;) >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Li >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Von: [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] >>> > Im >>> > Auftrag von xriz >>> > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 19:31 >>> > An: 'The Resolution of Mind list' >>> > Betreff: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Where is my castle ? That`s how i should live. Still have not found it. >>> > Damn. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > LI >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Von: [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] >>> > Im >>> > Auftrag von Colleen Peltomaa >>> > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 17:23 >>> > An: [email protected] >>> > Betreff: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > In this tape lecture Dennis says that beings either run around trying >>> to >>> > know something that has not been brought into existence in this >>> universe to >>> > be known, or they run around trying to "not-is". >>> > >>> > I'm very very familiar with examples of "not-is", and I find I am >>> lacking >>> > some solid examples of the first part of Dennis' statement.. Would >>> someone >>> > please help me out, thank you. >>> > >>> > colleen >>> > >>> > >>> > -------------- next part -------------- >>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> > URL: < >>> > >>> http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20111118/e204b970/attachment-0001.html >>> > > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Message: 4 >>> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:43:49 +0100 >>> > From: "xriz" <[email protected]> >>> > To: "'The Resolution of Mind list'" <[email protected]> >>> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >>> > Message-ID: <000601cca622$03b9aa20$0b2cfe60$@de> >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> > >>> > Could not do much with TROM so far. But this one indicates for me. >>> > >>> > How do I pick that up with TROM and process it ? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Thanks >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Li >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Von: [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] >>> > Im >>> > Auftrag von xriz >>> > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 19:35 >>> > An: 'The Resolution of Mind list' >>> > Betreff: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Now that i begin thinking it astonishes me that is says: trying to >>> know. >>> > Because I actually do not lift a finger in order to DO something about >>> it. >>> > >>> > Well, that is what case is, isn`t it ;) >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Li >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Von: [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] >>> > Im >>> > Auftrag von xriz >>> > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 19:31 >>> > An: 'The Resolution of Mind list' >>> > Betreff: Re: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Where is my castle ? That`s how i should live. Still have not found it. >>> > Damn. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > LI >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Von: [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] >>> > Im >>> > Auftrag von Colleen Peltomaa >>> > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 17:23 >>> > An: [email protected] >>> > Betreff: [TROM1] "Exclusion" Lecture question >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > In this tape lecture Dennis says that beings either run around trying >>> to >>> > know something that has not been brought into existence in this >>> universe to >>> > be known, or they run around trying to "not-is". >>> > >>> > I'm very very familiar with examples of "not-is", and I find I am >>> lacking >>> > some solid examples of the first part of Dennis' statement. Would >>> someone >>> > please help me out, thank you. >>> > >>> > colleen >>> > >>> > >>> > -------------- next part -------------- >>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> > URL: < >>> > >>> http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20111118/048fe9ee/attachment.html >>> > > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Trom mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> > >>> > >>> > End of Trom Digest, Vol 88, Issue 26 >>> > ************************************ >>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: < >>> http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20111118/605b11d6/attachment-0001.html >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:38:43 -0500 >>> From: Colleen Peltomaa <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [TROM1] exclusion lecture question >>> Message-ID: >>> <CAF4m2-2M5TsWSUD+jk=ypRftK_PjaU1WOHd=r8zdnp8nfn_...@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Damn good example, thank you. My statement of what Dennis said was a >>> rough paraphrase taken from the "Exclusion" taped lecture. >>> >>> Just punch "your" item in and keep eyes open and hold the "now" space >>> (or some other space/time) up to whatever the mind hands over, and it >>> generally flows very quickly. Mass gets vanished and one restores it >>> with their own present time creations (RI). >>> >>> Let me know how that works for you. >>> >>> colleen >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:54:02 +0100 >>> From: "xriz" <[email protected]> >>> To: "'The Resolution of Mind list'" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [TROM1] exclusion lecture question >>> Message-ID: <000601cca644$f7c8f130$e75ad390$@de> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> I see now why the habit is the same. >>> You see, when I visit old castles I usually know where everything is, >>> without having been there this lifetime. >>> I did not lift a finger back then and that stays with me now. Although I >>> am >>> in a completely different situation. >>> Without castles..... >>> Well, at least I can laugh realizing how an old habit sticked with me. >>> >>> Li >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Im >>> Auftrag von Colleen Peltomaa >>> Gesendet: Freitag, 18. November 2011 22:39 >>> An: [email protected] >>> Betreff: [TROM1] exclusion lecture question >>> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> Damn good example, thank you. My statement of what Dennis said was a >>> rough paraphrase taken from the "Exclusion" taped lecture. >>> >>> Just punch "your" item in and keep eyes open and hold the "now" space >>> (or some other space/time) up to whatever the mind hands over, and it >>> generally flows very quickly. Mass gets vanished and one restores it >>> with their own present time creations (RI). >>> >>> Let me know how that works for you. >>> >>> colleen >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >>> >>> End of Trom Digest, Vol 88, Issue 27 >>> ************************************ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> > > > -- > *Graf-Computer* > Service mit Biss > > Alexander Graf > Klausener Winkel 8 > 90482 Nürnberg > > 0179 / 15 777 63 > www.graf-computer-service.de > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >
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