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Hi LeoActually I think Dennis' point, and I agree with it, is that I cannot 
leave this universe until I am willing to let go of ALL of the games I am 
playing.  I will have to let go of the property and tools and even my 
attachment to other people in my family in order to be able to leave.

Any where I create a dichotomy of must have versus must not have or must know 
versus must not know I am playing a game compulsively. So if I want to be good 
and not be bad, or have good tools and not have bad tools, or want to have my 
money and not let the government take money away from me, I am creating 
dichotomies which are compulsive games play.  I must let go.  This is why Jesus 
said "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a 
rich man to get to heaven".

You are correct that I will not let go of these games concerning my stuff and 
my family until I "win" them. However,  I recognize that this is only a 
temporary condition in this universe.  A game won is no longer being played so 
a new game must be created or I will get bored and pull in any game.  This can 
have unpleasant consequences. Look at anyone who gets sick or has conflicts 
with others or gets their email account hacked. Unproactive pulling in of old 
games conditions will occasionally be unpleasant.

It is better to run RI for a while and create lots of stuff to keep unpleasant 
games out of my space or better yet create a game of creating pleasant effects 
for others,  Like a Boy Scout, do a good deed.  Or get out my Harmonica and 
play some music or plant something in the garden.

Absolutely, survival is a game.  "must live" "must not die". It cannot be won 
as each of us die at least once every lifetime.  The objective then is to 
reduce the importance of playing this game also.  Reduce the importance of 
survival to zero and be free to leave this universe.  Of course, I will not be 
willing to let the body die till I am willing to let many of the other games go 
that I mentioned above. Survive is a more basic game than having money or tools 
or family but still a junior game to Be Known versus Not Be Know or  Knowing 
versus Not Knowing. 

My objective is to understand these things on all the games I recognize as 
being played in this universe then let go of my need to be here playing these 
games and go else where to see what games are played there. I suspect this is 
foolishness and that I should just chuck everything and go to continuously 
meditating at Being, Joy-filled and harmless to everyone.  However, I'm having 
to much fun learning to be willing to do that at this time.

Thanks Leo for this interesting conversation and letting me rant.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, whichever applies.

Keep on TROMing

Pete






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> From: Leo Faulhaber <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected] 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:09 PM
>Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 89, Issue 17
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>4. Complimentary Postulates (Leo Faulhaber)
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>Dear Pete
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>Excellent analysis and answer.
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>It seems that there are a couple of games that need to be won in order to 
>survive.
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>So one could make the conclusion that survival is a game and as such not 
>necessarily reasonable or rational ... 
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>There are some ramifications with this.
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>Leo Faulhaber
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