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Hi Paul, Answers/comments interspersed below:
On 24/04/2012 21:58, Paul Tipon wrote:
I found several of your statements interesting. I am in the process of doing Level 5, Meditating and reading Tom Campbell's Big Toe. Those statements you made, rang familiar with me from all of my studies across several disciplines, not only Scn and TROM.
Have you also had a look at the Monroe institute and Monroe's views on things?
On Apr 23, 2012, at 5:00 AM, [email protected] wrote:1. Re: Undermining the West Through Psychology (Martin Foster) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:07:39 +0200 From: Martin Foster <[email protected]> To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Undermining the West Through Psychology On 20/04/2012 17:35, Pete McLaughlin wrote:Nirvana's nice but what could you do if you chose to play a really big game?Pete - Thanks for the interesting article and an especial thanks for expanding the TROM library.My thoughts on Nirvana:I think Nirvana and any and all states of being are relative to other states.Certainly this is true. There are a class of states and within that class there are similarities and differences. I will continue belowTo me Nirvana is to achieve the goal peace and serenity. Like opting out of the MEST Universe game and going to cloud 9. It certainly would be a nice place to stop, take a breather and just relax.Some believe that wealth is Nirvana. Others an endless holiday. Still others a challenge or adventure. Some want absolute peace. Others want adventure and excitement.Most want to change their current status and condition and strive to do so.
What would you relax from? From TROM we know that enturbulations in our minds are due to conflicting postulates within ourselves - not from external sources.
One thing that I have found for my self is that one can improve themselves, become a better individual. Then too one can become a better Thetan/spirit too. I fully agree with your view that we all both occupy the Theta/spiritual as well as the physical universe. It is just that some are so wrapped up in the physical and then knowledge/belief/understanding of small subsets there that many have no concept of what is really going on. More simply, how many can truly embrace the viewpoint of Thetan/spirit-Mind-Body and what that really entails.
I tend to agree - but what do you mean by becoming a better individual? Better by who's or what standard?
This physical universe is a subset of a superset non-physical universe and the beings who occupy the physical also partially occupy the non physical and vice versa. Every now and again we have a taste of something different and then want more of that state.Now this really sounds like Campbell's Big Toe. I define it not as a state but as an employment of one's inherent abilities which are not fully being utilized or recognized. From an external viewpoint towards another I can see this condition of a Thetan/spirit being called a 'state'. All of the spiritual improvement disciplines basically embrace this concept and that one can improve their abilities or for me actually more causatively employ their inherent intrinsic abilities, employ themselves to the fullest as to what they truly are.
There are a few Monroe videos in which he speaks of "phases" and in my view and my struggle is to connect the phase memories. Campbell btw assisted Monroe.
The sky is not the limit, it goes well beyond that. In fact if truth be known, we are capable of creating skies and creating beyond any possible limitation, beyond what anyone could even imagine.
Oh yes - yes - beautifully stated!
As long as we're here in the physical - I think we should enjoy what we have. Otherwise why are we here?To learn, to understand, to improve, to reach higher states of consciousness .... That's my belief. There is a lot here in the physical that is just plain not understood and not only that but a lot here that we may not even be seeing.
Ken Urquahart said in a post on Ivy once that "Each of us are living our own perfect lives."
If one accepts that both the physical and the non physical universe's integrity is protected by all of us, then to continue attempting some Nirvana is in fact violating our own agreement.True and I agree with you but if one is efforting to get there, let's have him get there and see if that's where he really wants to be for eternity. Might as well be a rock for eternity. That would accomplish the same thing.
That's what I'm trying to do. lol - I am always searching - I can now be called a "searchologist"
Our intentions sometimes have unintended consequences but fortunately the protective mechanisms emplaced prevent us from interfering too greatly in each others self determinism.Yes, fears, egos and misplaced goals and purposes lead to minor, entrapping, enprisoning games that limit and deny one the ultimate game ... knowingness. I see that Dennis with his TROM is a means to achieve the ultimate knowingness as well as meditation for that last step to working in and discovering all there is to the non-physical universe.
TROM was to me the most freeing thing I ever did. And I do have limited whole track recall. Dennis suggests that within this universe we can know everything that has been brought into existence to know - I am still well below that!
I have been running the items Be Do Have as junior games and can see that Be is parallel to Know as well as do is to create and of course Dennis has Have as one of his junior games.
I'd like to know more about that?
I have found your post interesting and challenging. Please post more for discussion.
Thank you and it's good comming with you. In terms of percentages - there are to few searchers and too many who have absolute certainty.
Martin
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