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Subject: Re: [TROM1] You're awakened? Prove it.
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:05:33 +0100
From: Function <[email protected]>
To: Pete McLaughlin <[email protected]>
I'm not talking about selling it. I'm talking about a culture.
You mentioned the Buddah. Do you know how the Buddah's insights reached
us across millenia and continents? By millions and million of ordinary
people coming into the proximity of the teaching, and thus providing a
social support structure for and means of transmission to technical
practitioners. Have you ever been to a Buddhist country?
I've lived in them. I've loved Buddhist women and spent months in
Buddhist homes. And they weren't about pure tech. Buddhist leaders have
historically understood pragmatism. Have understood that the common man
and woman can't go straight for gold, but that things are better for
everybody if gold is there to go for. And if those going for it can
provide their wisdom and services to the rest of society via a social
context that promotes affinity. Buddhists didn't make the error of
seeking to remain distant, 'pure' beings above the masses. They gave
what was useful to who it was useful to. They gave useful and basic
precepts and understandings to those who could only handle that much,
and more to those who could handle more. And people had access to the
degree of information they needed and desired /because/ of that overall
social context.
Where do law suits come into that? Where does lying come into that? It's
a pragmatic perspective. It's an understanding that cultural
transmission is imprecise and living, dynamic, ambiguous. Do you think
that Buddhists go to sue the monks for providing them with precepts and
understanding that don't require decades of meditation? That's what your
analogy implies. Think it through a little.
This has nothing to do with compulsive games play. It has to do with a
holistic understanding of how things do or don't become a part of
people's lives. You disparage my intentions (thanks for that, by the
way), but my concern here is entirely with getting the pure tech to
those who can benefit from it. This isn't about profit. And this isn't
about repackaging TROM. There are hundreds of thousands of people out
there, right now, who are suffering for not having this tech. There are
millions more whose lives would be better for being in the vicinity of
somebody who understood things as TROM could enable them to. And there
are countless young people who would love and apply this if somebody
would provide a route in for them-- a means of acclimatisation. That
suffering matters to me. I want people to be powerful, smart, and
enlightened. I want there to be many such beings around, and I want them
not to keep their understandings esoteric. Tell me again, what am I
trying to sell?
There is no real conflict here. You're just thinking on far too limited
a scale. I'm not talking about changing what you and I are doing
already. I will continue to apply the tech and I will tell others who
could benefit about it and its full history. The documentation is there
for people to find. Just as people recorded the Buddha's teachings and
continued to practice them in a monastic context. But that monastic
context flourished and survived for /also/ having a panoramic social
awareness to support it. Not a corporate religious parasite ala
Scientology and its ronbots (thanks again for attempting to tar with
that brush), but a /culture/. Culture isn't /sold/. And culture can be
/better or worse/. If you are powerful and awakened, then /why are you
not making culture better?/ Why are you not weaving this living treasure
of a mystery into its very fabric, so that it's there for those who need
it? So that the master is there when the student needs him?
Why are you not crafting routes to this knowledge? Why are you not
considering how this game is going to play out over the course of
centuries and millenia? What if we had a global catastrophe tomorrow? Do
you think TROM in its current form would survive the internet going
down? A virus? Would TROM survive that crisis conditions that would
create? Buddhism would. Buddhism has. Do you know how? Culture. Dennis
said it took him lifetimes to find this information. Isn't it worth
preserving and transmitting in an enduring way? How would we do that?
Culture. How does such culture come into being? By making it happen.
On 03/08/2012 20:29, Pete McLaughlin wrote:
HI Function
Excellent. I get it. we should repackage TROM so it contains no hard
to learn useful tech. and lie to the customers by telling them they
will marry trophy spouses, get the latest SUV's and bigger McMansions
if they just subscribe to TROM.
Doesn't this sound just like Scientology?
How long before people find out they've been lied to and start the law
suits?
No thanks TROM is the antithesis of the popular goals that "sell" in
our society so it will not be popular but there will be a few who
realize it's value and study it.
Buddha faced the same problem 2500 years ago selling the same solution
to life's problems. he called it the middle path and he was able to
gather a large following who at least attempted to follow what he had
done.we still know roughly what he was teaching despite 2500 years of
time passing.
At it's best TROM will appeal and be known by a few thousand people in
the next 100 years, but this will only happen if it is presented as
EXACTLY what it is, including its Scientology background.
Your solution is a compulsive games players solution and I see you
have a great future in advertising and sales. Good luck with that.
Sincerely
Pete
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