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Hi Paul,
If ever you have a lucid dream and someone you are talking to says,
"When I end this dream you will disappear!" You could have an argument
as to who will disappear first. LOL
I didn't know LRH did out of body work. He was very disparaging about
Astral travel. The only semi-scientologist I know who does Astral and
remote viewing is Ingo Swan. The chief of the RV program at Stanford
was Hal Putthoff. He was a Scientologist. Ingo eventually rejected
Scientology. He hoped it would reveal more about psi. He made his own
discoveries.
Many are stuck in the old adage of "If a tree falls in the forest and no
one is there to see it - did it fall?"
Our reality is perception of data and we comm in terms of symbols or
metaphors.
That we may not be in a position to receive data does not mean that the
data does not exist.
We and others interpret data received in terms of own metaphors and or
symbols based on experience.
We create and experience simultaneously. If one interprets all
experience as creation then the solipsists have a point. LOL.
I agree that the universe is a probabilistic virtual reality.
We do have power of choice - but only within the bounds of the rule-set
and our perceptive abilities.
What we are currently experiencing in this rule set, we experience using
body perceptions, which give us a common reality. Folks with different
antenna attached to their sculls may perceive more - or maybe less.
This universe or system is set up to help us evolve. (My current belief)
Hubbard's view that we are super beings who started existence before
time began seems to me a delusion of grandeur which gave his followers a
feeling of superiority. His whole OT thingamabob is based on being able
to violate the rule set.
Violating the rules of the physical universe can be done but because the
intent to do so stems from outside the universe (outside used
metaphorically) - no certain objective evidence can be obtained.
In Scientology, mental compromise is treason. There is no search for
truth, only the enforced acceptance of totalitarian dogmas and clichés.
Confusedly yours,
Martin
On 07 August 2012 07:36, Paul Tipon wrote:
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On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:09 AM, [email protected] wrote:
On Aug 6, 2012, at 8:31 AM, [email protected] wrote:
On 06 August 2012 08:18, Paul Tipon wrote:
But then I still question if there really is a 'you' out there or is
all of this just me and my magnificent imagination)
Yes and it surprises me that there are not more of us solipsists. lol
Oh yeah. You're one of those guys eh. ;-) Yes, I can see that point
but also think there are enough as it is. Now the funny thing is that
if you have any kind of an inkling that a Matrix, a virtual
environment actually exists ... There is a whole lot of data that
there is. Did you know that LRH was into this with his out of body
work? I know for myself that solipsis cannot be totally denied. It
explains too much both physically and scientifically. You know, all
of that mystic stuff that not even Ron talked about but in fact was
heavily into. There are mysteries and anamolies in science and of the
physical universe that only lend themselves to a solipsis
configuration to explain how 'that' can be.
Yes, I can see where solipsism is in the here and now. It's just that
I'm to smart, knowing and can see across the heavens and Earth,
backward, forward and present. So I'm somewhere between all knowing
and not knowing at all. What an interesting spot, huh. Proof there
is with a skepticism and that it just may not be that way but it sure
can explain a lot when nothing else can.
For me, I just know that it is true. I then look around and sure
nuff, there they are but know that I am not one of them but creepy,
that we all may be inhabiting a solipsis. It's just that people like
me (ahem!) can see above and beyond the solipsis while still playing
the solipsis game. In solipsis ragtime no less.
To me the greatest evidence against solipsism is that there are so
many differing points of view each with its created ego which we
hold onto,
with our past, to hold onto the identity we created to interact with
others. Some call it ego. Preceding ego will be found the postulate
that created the identity "to be known".
I agree that ego is a component. But then wouldn't an ego keep one in
solipsis when there actually might be a virtual reality but we're not
supposed to know that. And there you have it, the basic key ... to
know. Can we be so sure that we know all there is to know. Of course
not but then this is not an argument for solipsis but a potentially
possible situation. Just think, the MEST Universe could possibly be a
solipsis.
So there we are once again. What is real for you is real for you and
it may not be real to anybody else. oops, how did I do that ??? now
I'm right back into solipsis. I thought I was climbing out of it, out
of a virtual and into something real. Now if I could only find out
which reality I'm lost in .............
Martin
Paul/Level 5 in progress
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