************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Identity is taken on to accomplish a goal. The purpose of a goal is havingness. You did the BC right? Remember the "PreHav" scale? It's all about havingness. To Know, To Create bring havingness into existence.
"To be a doctor" is not a proper goal. Why do you want to be a doctor? So I can heal people. The goal is "to heal people". The Hav is healthy people. Those that become a brain surgeon just to become a brain surgeon are doing it for the goal of money or status, to have money/status is the goal. All those sub-products you listed are driven by "To heal people". They may be short-term "goals" but GPMs are not going to form around a such a "goal". The goal to be smart, is a valid goal - smart isn't a beingness or a doingness. To go to school: for what purpose? To be schooled/learned/smart To read a book: the goal is to be smart/learned not "to read". -----Original Message----- From: Paul Tipon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 97, Issue 40, to whoever "TROM" is On Aug 22, 2012, at 8:04 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Be & Do are not 'non-life' goals, they just aren't goals. > You need to explain how they aren't because the simplicity is .... to be a baker man, a mailman, a fireman, an indian chief or just be and identity named Fred sure as hell better be goals or you will never be that and one does not just say I am a Doctor and Voila! they are. Going from the goal to be a (something, fill in the blank) sure as heck will require some doingness and not just any doingness. So you better have a goal to do study, to pass exams, to get a license, etc. for without the proper doingness being accomplished as a goal you will never be a (something, fill in the blank). > They are the tools of accomplishing goals. > A doingness is not a tool. A hammer is not a doingness. The goal to build a house is a doingness as a goal. To be the house builder is a goal. And of course to have a house is a goal. > One adopts an identity (be) to accomplish something. > Oh yeah. Try adopting being a brain surgeon or nuclear physicist > Accomplish is Do. Something is Have. > Well there, you've said it yourself, 'accomplish is do', that means something was done and what was that something ... a goal or there would be no doingness and no accomplishment. > > You are correct, these are not valid junior goals packages. I never said they were or weren't. I did say that they were goals and certainly life goals. As an example, for Be to be a non life goal, the goal would be to 'Not Be'. So by simple logic to Be is a goal. > > You can be sure that Dennis would have listed be and do if they > were valid. > Let me just ask you one question. Have you ever had the goal to be smart? Have you ever had the goal to go to school or read a book to learn something? > _____ > > From: Leo Faulhaber [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 1:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 97, Issue 40 > > 5. Be, Do, Have (Leo Faulhaber) > > Paul Tipon > > I would say that Be and Do are possible non-life goals. In contrast > to Have > they are both not on the list of life goals which have been tested by > Dennis. Why are they possible non-life goals? They are too general. > Be is > just holding a specific set of postulates. And those postulates can be > anything, life or non-life. And Do is just realizing any postulate, > life or > non-life. I would be careful in running those on Level 5. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Leo Faulhaber _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
