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I see your point and understand that well.
Can you tell me back channel what the false informations are ? Would be great though if it can be said openly on the list here.
I certainly want to get rid of false philosophies i swallowed unwittingly.

thanks
xriz

Am 10.11.2012 22:36, schrieb Paul Tipon:
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You are asking about a very interesting scenario between myself and The Church. It is a long story that spans several decades and was the reason for my leaving The Church.

After attesting to Clear, then being told I was not Clear and then attesting again to Clear, I was then C/S'd for L11. Seventeen years later I was again told I was not Clear and then attested to Clear again. I have been certified Clear with two DCSI's and one CCRD, maybe two. I have tried several times to get onto L11 but have been put off onto something else each time. I have always attested to Clear each of the earlier times told that I was told I was not Clear, not Clear was always thru a C/S adjudication, not a session. I have never failed to attest to Clear each and every time I did the attest. Needless to say I was very frustrated and left The Church never to return again.

Now onto OT3. While on the Briefing Course, Class VI, I cognited what OT3 was back in 88 while going down the stairs one day at ASHO LA. Approximately 15yrs later after being denied my next C/S step, L11 again and now being a fully trained Class VI auditor, I finally picked up and read what OT3 was all about by finding it on the internet. From my cognition back in 88 and my recall of that event I knew what I read was in error. LRH did not get it fully and completely nor correctly. He even states in his RJ 67 that OT3 was "not particularly" his incident. Probably the reason he had to go to the Canary Islands to contact the incident and thereby run it out. Obviously it was not real to him nor could he run the OT3 case which he didn't have and didn't have first hand experience with. That was the beginning of his personal demise and his going off the rails. It was also after he had failed to put together Tech to run out GPM's. This is also the time frame where Scn Tech veered off and went into the 'New', 'Improved', 'Corrected', 'Golden Era', 'New OT Levels', etc. changes and has been going thru numerous updates and 'improvements' ever since. Obviously The Church has yet to get it corrected and right.

So, I have no desire, never got a C/S for it and see no need to do OT 3. I have at times, myself, further looked into what OT 3 was all about and obviously my participation in that incident. How else would I be able to know and recall so much. Also in my std auditing after Clear I inadvertently ran into the incident without identifying it as OT 3. Throughout all of my auditing and studying after Clear, I continually ran into OT 3 data without knowing it and I knew what that data was all about from knowingness. And it wasn't until 88 that I realized that the data, knowingness and recall about incidents on the Whole Track that I knew about was actually the OT 3 incident. And to this date, I have never been the effect of knowing what the incident is all about. There are parts of the incident that I have recalled by just deciding to look at it and what I know about it that I have not seen written up anywhere. I am also aware of how there is philosophy about OT 3 that has been incorporated into all of the upper OT Levels which to me is incorrect and actually puts and keeps the OT 3 incident phenomena with the Thetan all throughout the OT Levels above OT 3.


On Nov 8, 2012, at 4:00 AM, [email protected] wrote:


Paul, have you planned to do OT 3 ?

xriz

Paul/Level 5 in progress
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